re: Check in if you're ready for sumlin to go

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It just doesn't seem that A&M is capable of getting enough good defenders, especially the front 7 or so guys, to compete with the big boys

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I have said several times that I don't think we have a single DT or LB that would start at Bama or LSU. We have 1 that might... MIGHT start at Auburn. Our starters would struggle to be 2nd team at Bama. Our 2nd team... depth... would not be 2nd team at Bama, LSU, or Auburn.

We are not physical and we definitely don't have depth that is physical. We got some serious issues if we aren't scoring in the 30s+ against better teams.

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Sumlin has only hit his own ceiling, which is lower than it should be because he's soft on the field and negligent off. Just like Fran hit his ceiling and Sherman hit his and RC his.

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You can keep doing "and _______" all the way back to the 1930s. That is my point. At what point does the problem stop solely being the fact we have hired the wrong guy for a century?

Do we go through a dozen coaches until we find the magic one when we are all in a retirement home that can recruit at the top of the game despite our shite brand? And what, enjoy the two or three years before Mr. Magic leaves for the NFL before we force our kids to run through another dozen coaches to find the next one for their once in a lifetime two years?

Or maybe we should finally talk about putting pussy on the sideline, gutting the corps block (yes even if that means changing the band uniforms to keep the band from being a defacto corps block), or doing the other dozen things that makes A&M less special for someone who graduated twenty years ago but makes it more appealing for the talented black men and their families that are the real secret for success of any good football team?

Nah that is asking too much from our fanbase, it is too hard. It is easier to waste some rich guy's money on the next hot young coach that will ruin his career here trying to salvage our shite brand without us lifting a finger to help him. Traditional always wins out, even over success.

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Or maybe we should finally talk about putting pussy on the sideline, gutting the corps block (yes even if that means changing the band uniforms to keep the band from being a defacto corps block), or doing the other dozen things that makes A&M less special for someone who graduated twenty years ago but makes it more appealing for the talented black men and their families that are the real secret for success of any good football team?

Nah that is asking too much from our fanbase, it is too hard. It is easier to waste some rich guy's money on the next hot young coach that will ruin his career here trying to salvage our shite brand without us lifting a finger to help him. Traditional always wins out, even over success.

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We have recruited at a high level under Sumlin. That talent he has was never developed, and was primarily located on the perimeter/secondary which does not win games. He showed you can recruit at a high level here, he just fricked up doing it with poor player development, transfers and prioritizing the wrong spots. You're acting like our classes have been in the 20's or worse the whole time he's been here. They only dropped off when we stopped winning.

You are correct. Bama recruits these players nationally and A&M has been a regional recruiter. Zaycoven, Mack, and Alaka were some of the more higher rated DT and LB recruits from the state of TX.

Most of the other top prospects A&M recently offered or had committed have had trouble qualifying or ran into off the field issues. Hoza Scott, Logan David, LeMarc Strahan, Isaiah Golden, and others.

Also, remember that Sumlin was told to clean the program up. Most of the players that are on Alabama's defense would not have been allowed to stay on the A&M campus after their many transgressions.

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Hell even without of piles of embarrassing traditions, every fricking school in our state (and half the newspapers) negatively recruit against us. Sumlin or whoever the coach is can do very little to control all of that

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Every school negatively recruits against each other. It's not like we are the only school that has a target on our back. We rarely lose recruits to schools in state aside from Texas anyways

I don't necessarily disagree about changing the culture around our Gameday atmosphere, I don't think it can hurt, but I don't think it's some massive issue that puts a ceiling on our program. I think you're really overestimating the importance it plays in relation to recruiting.

We had the 9th, 5th and 11th ranked classes from 13-15. The issue is what happened once that talent got to campus and where that talent was located on the field. If we were losing prospects to other schools left and right when we were winning and had momentum (in 12 and 13) then I would be worried about that. We weren't though. Players want to play for schools that have positive momentum on a big stage with nice facilities. It shouldn't be surprising our recruiting took a step back when we stepped back to consistent 8-5 seasons and lots of high profile transfers

We recruit well enough to win 9-10 games a year. We just don't coach well enough to do so.

I agree that we have image issues we're still working through, but it's the on-field product that is holding us back. The corps block didn't lose to Auburn last year or Ole Miss/Miss State this year. The farmer image didn't lead us to playing like pansies vs Ole Miss and Miss St two years ago.

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Also, remember that Sumlin was told to clean the program up. Most of the players that are on Alabama's defense would not have been allowed to stay on the A&M campus after their many transgressions.

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Don't forget Darian Claiborne.

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Maybe it's because Knight looked like shite in the games before and we could have easily won the last three games if our defense was worth a shite.

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Alabama makes EVERY QB look bad. Otherwise Trevor was pretty much exactly the same in every other game. He's always start off slow and then eventually he'd begin to hit passes and have big runs. The one really big error was the fumble that was started w/a poor snap and went to an RB who had major fumble issues before he transferred here.

Hell, the D only gave up 14 second half points to Bama as well. MSU only had 7 second half points.

The collapse vs Ole Miss was almost exclusively in the 4th when the D was worn the hell out due to the offense under Hubes being completely incapable of moving the ball. shite, if the offense gets as few as 3 more first downs spread throughout the second half we win that game.

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Also, we have no running game any more and that happened before Knight's injury.

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dafuq?

When did that start? A&M had the most rushing yards of the season against Bama (114) and is one of just two (Ole Miss is the other at 101) to go over 100. Great and powerful LSU? 33 yards.

The next game was vs New Mexico State and we had 233 yards on 39 carries for a 6.0 yard per carry average. In a body bag game where two punts were returned for TDs that's actually a very good number.

Against, MSU the only thing that was poor for Knight early on was the passing. W/Knight in the game in the first half A&M ran for 90 yards.

In the one possession and full second half with Hubes? 27 total yards w/9 of those in the first half.

I'm sorry but the demise of the running game is 100% directly because Knight went out with injury vs MSU. Hubes cannot run worth a damn. Even when we do get the ball moving he is woefully poor at reading pressure and avoiding sacks.

Because the running game is handcuffed with Hubenak at QB we cannot sustain any long drives. With certain key areas lacking depth (mainly the LBs) the D gets worn the hell out.

Also, it should be repeated often that the main culprit wiht A&M's defensive issues the last 15 years is directly related to how Texas high school football has evolved into 7 on 7 based teams. It should be no surprise with the amount of schools that recruit this state that a HS football system dedicated to offense is not going to be able to provide enough defensive depth for anyone to flourish. Damn near every single Texas team has had arse soup for D the last decade.

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I'm sorry but the demise of the running game is 100% directly because Knight went out with injury vs MSU. Hubes cannot run worth a damn. Even when we do get the ball moving he is woefully poor at reading pressure and avoiding sacks.

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I think the concern is, it's very easy to run the ball with a dual threat QB. It's what your RB/OL do without that determines if you have a run game or not.

We don't have an OL that generates consistent push, or RBs that can run into 6 man fronts. So we don't really have a run game. We were just fortunate to have a QB that could move the sticks with his legs when necessary.

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Big bad Vandy and their team of thugs sure took it to Ole Miss

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Great point. I wish we could be as lax as Vanderbilt was, might help us get back that Kyle Field Magic.