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re: Fire Botch, Fire Rumlin... frick the bullshite

Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:06 pm to
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:06 pm to
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Forgive me if I offended you, it was not my intention.



Eh, you didn't. Just not sure why that was in response to my post. That's all.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:08 pm to
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None of the elite football minds otb give a frick about his opinions. Come on now



Coulda fooled me with all that parroting given I have repeatedly stated I'm not on any train save for the Vols. Maybe start taking people on your own damn team at face value? I've no reason to play you.
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 11:10 pm
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:18 pm to
Yo Prof,


YOU WANNA frickING THROW DOWN BRO? I'LL MEET YOU AT THE MOTHERfrickING KRYSTAL ON MOTHERfrickING LOVELL RD.
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:19 pm to
Time bro. I'm a motherfricking hammer so name it.
Posted by Str8volfan
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:22 pm to
I cant understand why its so hard to have a civil discussion without someone getting their feelers hurt. Maybe Im too old to discuss stuff with the younger generation. I respect everyones opinion, even if it doesn lineup with mine.


Id like you guys opinion on something I seen today.

Obviously we ran a different offense today than last week. Seems when they play a better team, their strategy is to grind it up the middle and control the clock. Every time they open up the playbook, they seem to score at will. So why not run an open strategy every week? I understand Dobbs had a ba game last week, but he looked pretty solid today.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:26 pm to
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Time bro. I'm a motherfricking hammer so name it.





I need to sober up, and put pants on. And I'm in Columbia. I didn't think this through.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:27 pm to
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. Every time they open up the playbook, they seem to score at will. So why not run an open strategy every week?



Because of Lyle and his stubbornness
Posted by InVolNerable
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:28 pm to
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I need to sober up, and put pants on. And I'm in Columbia. I didn't think this through.

Sack up you god damn pussy fart.
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:30 pm to
OLINE. Every year we've been able to showcase Dobbs ability passing against DLs we could either dominate or hold our own against and in turn have been able to open up the run game for big plays. You can't have an open playbook without the passing game. When both the passing game and the run game click the offense sings. But we've struggled in league play and even against mediocre DLs out of conference because the OL has struggled. Last season we could run block but couldn't pass block while this season the OL has been too injured to do either very often. OL play has held back the offense for a few seasons now.

When they're healthy or having a good game the offense works but if not nothing gets going at all.
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:31 pm to
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I need to sober up, and put pants on. And I'm in Columbia. I didn't think this through.



Posted by Str8volfan
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:35 pm to
I saw several instances and actually have screenshot pictures of the Aggie and SC game where there was a checkdown opportunity and Dobbs threw a bad interception. In overtime of the Aggie game, Kelly was wide open in the flat and would have probably scored but he threw the interception instead. SOmething a senior qb shouldnt do. I cant understand why in the Hades they dont have a qb coach. I think sometimes they try to put too much on Dobbs and he folds under pressure. Still, he has won way more games for this team than hes lost. Im glad he is a Vol.
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:47 pm to
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I saw several instances and actually have screenshot pictures of the Aggie and SC game where there was a checkdown opportunity and Dobbs threw a bad interception. In overtime of the Aggie game, Kelly was wide open in the flat and would have probably scored but he threw the interception instead. SOmething a senior qb shouldnt do. I cant understand why in the Hades they dont have a qb coach. I think sometimes they try to put too much on Dobbs and he folds under pressure. Still, he has won way more games for this team than hes lost. Im glad he is a Vol.



Dobbs just hasn't been as good this season protecting the ball as in years prior. I think the early OL play has him hearing footsteps constantly even though that's largely been cleaned up but I don't know. With Dobbs I think you just have to concede that he is who he is and that's a super streaky player who can be really, really good or really, really, bad. It's just been his MO for too long.

He's had the best QB coaches you could ask for since HS (he's got Whitfield, IIRC, for a private QB coach and has been coached at the Manning and other QB camps) but whatever progress he'd made in the offseason (and he has looked better as a passer at certain times) has been undone by the porous OL we had to start the season and him slipping back into bad habits. Versus SC he was throwing dirt balls even though he had no pressure whatsoever.

I love the kid but that's on him as a senior QB. He still has footwork issues. Just about every INT he's thrown in his career has come off his back foot and he knows better than that but for whatever reason can't/won't break that habit while the others have come when he's gotten impatient and tried to force things.

I think a QB coach would've done him some good but he might actually be suffering from having too many QB coaches. He works with 2 QB coaches in the offseason on his own dime and has worked with Sheridan/Debo with the team.

EDIT: He did look good today tho which I think was a game he needed.
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 11:51 pm
Posted by InVolNerable
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:54 pm to
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 love the kid but that's on him as a senior QB. He stillhas footwork issues
he has to go back home during the off-season to work with a QB coach because the guy we pay over $4 milllion/yr to lead our football team is too fricking retarded to realize that maybe, just maybe, a legitimate QB coach might be a good investment.

Dobbs is a phenomenal ambassador for UT. I love the kid so much. It's unfortunate he got shite on by this coaching staff.
This post was edited on 11/5/16 at 11:55 pm
Posted by Prof
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Posted on 11/5/16 at 11:57 pm to
Not arguing the QB coach point as I'd prefer we have one but Dobbs has worked with those QB gurus since HS.
Posted by InVolNerable
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Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:00 am to
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Dobbs has worked with those QB gurus since HS.
exactly. They don't fricking work.

Lets get someone in house who can work worh our QBs on a consistent basis and isnt trying to split Dobbs lessons and kinesiology midterms.

I love you, Prof.
This post was edited on 11/6/16 at 12:01 am
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:08 am to
I love you too Invol and all my vol brothers and sisters even when we bitch, moan, and throw down. We fam.

Here's one question tho... Who do we get rid of to get a QB coach? NCAA limits the number of coaches. Most deal with it by having coaches pull double duty but the OL has sucked so bad Debo has worked there instead. And I think even Sheridan is in QC this year instead of on the field so he's limited to film study.

TBH, I don't think Debo returns** so it may be a moot point and a new OC may fill that role. But say Mahoney gets canned since his contract wasn't renewed but Debo sticks around. Does a competent OL coach free him up to coach QBs? Does someone else slide over?

EDIT: I'm actually closer to 50/50 on this. He could return for next year then retire the year after if we see a lot of changes.
This post was edited on 11/6/16 at 12:23 am
Posted by Str8volfan
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:14 am to
thats an easy question, the S&C coach, he obviously isnt doing shite.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42687 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:17 am to
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thats an easy question, the S&C coach, he obviously isnt doing shite.



Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:36 am to
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All you'll get here is people agreeing with you without much of anything behind why or what's wrong with either.


I'm like Commodus, just trying to give the people what they want. and the people want blood.

Seriously though, we can talk about minutiae and analyze all aspects of the system to figure out why it doesn't work. Or we can look at the engineer of the system and see that he doesn't know how to make adjustments to compensate for the lack of success of the system.

There are some teams you just can't beat no matter what, due to injury, youth, etc. But you shouldn't lose to a team that is proven to be inferior in talent and results.

The fact that he same cog seems to fail week in and week out without improvement or adjustment makes me think that the engineer is too inept, or in Sumlin a case too drunk, to adapt.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42687 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 12:33 am to
quote:

I'm like Commodus, just trying to give the people what they want. and the people want blood.

Seriously though, we can talk about minutiae and analyze all aspects of the system to figure out why it doesn't work. Or we can look at the engineer of the system and see that he doesn't know how to make adjustments to compensate for the lack of success of the system.

There are some teams you just can't beat no matter what, due to injury, youth, etc. But you shouldn't lose to a team that is proven to be inferior in talent and results.

The fact that he same cog seems to fail week in and week out without improvement or adjustment makes me think that the engineer is too inept, or in Sumlin a case too drunk, to adapt.




What's been the cog for TAMU that's failed week in and week out? I mean for us we've had a lot of moving parts and I can't really say that there's been one thing this year that keeps failing so much as there have been many things. It's been a lot of different issues from the OL to injuries to certain coaching aspects/playcalls to attitude (aka Hurd).

TAMU today reminded me of some of those early games when it was clear that this team wasn't like the others we'd seen under CBJ -- we'd bought into our own hype, played sloppy and had an identity/attitude problem we hadn't seen in any of the other teams under the current regime (far less talented teams didn't have these problems or the lack of self-discipline we saw out of this one). We were lucky enough to escape those games with wins before what was brewing caught up to us at SC.

Are you expecting TAMU to go into free fall now or will you recover? Because, record wise you're still doing pretty good despite having a really bad loss today. I honestly don't know enough about the state of your program -- where it's been and how far along it is from there to really say. I know y'all have had yearly meltdowns with Sumlin's teams and a whole lot of drama but I'd thought that a lot of that was behind you since Knight seemed like a stabilizing force in the locker room (locker room issues/discipline have really held y'all back the past few years just from what I've seen).
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