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re: Zach Cunningham/LB/Pinson, AL/2013
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:19 pm to undecided
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:19 pm to undecided
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My post relates to the current team which is mentally and physically weak. The guys we bring in for this class need to have heart and character as we may be two years away from being either an SEC contender or a perennial bottom dweller.
You were saying you don't want a kid who's first choice is Alabama or another school. You used the current team because it proves your point. But if you look at history it tells you the fact that they originally wanted to go to another school has no effect on how they play at Auburn. So explain to me how a kid wanting to go to another school effects how he plays at Auburn.
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I know how you guys feel about stars and stealing recruits from "name" schools but we had four years of that under Chizik that left us with a 3-9 season. It's time for a change and hopefully the new staff understands this
So you're saying if a guy is highly rated we shouldn't go after him? That would be stupid. Yes some highly rated players bust and some low rated players shine. But if you look at the percentage of 4 or 5 stars that turn into good players versus the number of 3 stars that do, more highly rated players turn out to be good.
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Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:23 pm to joeyb147
Ok so wouldn't that make more since to offer him then.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:24 pm to Weagle25
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So explain to me how a kid wanting to go to another school effects how he plays at Auburn.
He can't because it doesn't. Argument is dumb.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:24 pm to Ac16
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Ok so wouldn't that make more since to offer him then.
Isn't your point that Saban only takes highly rated players? Why wouldn't Saban drop one of his three stars for this guy then?
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:27 pm to Weagle25
My whole argument is based on the fact that he does not offer in state recruits that are not highly rated.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 10:28 pm to Ac16
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My whole argument is based on the fact that he does not offer in state recruits that are not highly rated.
So why doesn't he drop a three star for this guy?
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:11 pm to Weagle25
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You were saying you don't want a kid who's first choice is Alabama or another school. You used the current team because it proves your point. But if you look at history it tells you the fact that they originally wanted to go to another school has no effect on how they play at Auburn. So explain to me how a kid wanting to go to another school effects how he plays at Auburn.
So you're saying if a guy is highly rated we shouldn't go after him? That would be stupid. Yes some highly rated players bust and some low rated players shine. But if you look at the percentage of 4 or 5 stars that turn into good players versus the number of 3 stars that do, more highly rated players turn out to be good.
Reading is fundamental . . . You can twist my words to suit your purpose but the point remains the same, the type of players that we recruited under Chizik, which included those like Cunningham who came to Auburn as a fall back plan, were apart of our downfall. They had no ties to the school and no respect for the coaches who bent corners to get them there. I used the current team as an example because guess what? Those are the players that will be on the field next year so why the frick would I be concerned with Bo Jackson's favorite team from 30 years ago?
No where have I said do not recruit highly ranked players or players that are considering other teams as I do understand the meaning of the word "recruiting". My stance is that Auburn needs to stop acting like the fat chick desperate for somebody to feel her up.
Also, as a disclaimer, I am not saying that Cunningham fits this profile, just that he should be assessed for more than his star rating and 40 x before being given a scholarship. Excuse the crap out of me for being overly cautious as a result of the previous regime
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:21 pm to undecided
quote:Several of the players that "were apart of our downfall" picked us over other good options.
the type of players that we recruited under Chizik, which included those like Cunningham who came to Auburn as a fall back plan, were apart of our downfall. They had no ties to the school and no respect for the coaches who bent corners to get them there
Jake Holland, Corey Lemonier, Jeff Whitaker, Gabe Wright, Jermaine Whitehead, Erique Florence, Robenson Therezie, I could keep going…
Those are all players who we got to come to our team instead of other good options. These players didn't have AU as a backup plan. All of them could've better lived up to their potential. Our downfall happened because of coaching and only coaching.
Your point is just terrible...
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:29 pm to AMM AU9893
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Our downfall happened because of coaching and only coaching
If you really believe this then it is a waste of my time to have any further discussion with you
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:30 pm to undecided
I guarantee most of our player could be successful in a more disciplined program. There's a reason they had offers from so many other schools. There's no way every single one of our highly-rated prospects were just busts who would not have been good anywhere
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:34 pm to undecided
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Reading is fundamental . . . You can twist my words to suit your purpose
How did I twist your words?
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the type of players that we recruited under Chizik, which included those like Cunningham who came to Auburn as a fall back plan, were apart of our downfall
Who? I don't remember any that chose us as a fall back. Kwon was going to but went to LSU instead. He looks like a pretty good player. Good thing we didn't get him.
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downfall. They had no ties to the school and no respect for the coaches who bent corners to get them there
Why are we bending corners if we're their fall back plan?
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I used the current team as an example because guess what? Those are the players that will be on the field next year so why the frick would I be concerned with Bo Jackson's favorite team from 30 years ago?
Because it shows you that players that choose us as a back-up plan can be great players here.
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just that he should be assessed for more than his star rating and 40 x before being given a scholarship
You seriously think any college football coach just looks at the kids ranking to determine whether we should offer him or not? If so, you are dumb. No one is going to put their job in somebody else's hands by going off recruiting rankings.
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:48 pm to Weagle25
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Who? I don't remember any that chose us as a fall back. Kwon was going to but went to LSU instead. He looks like a pretty good player. Good thing we didn't get him.
Again, reading is fundamental. Did you miss the post in this thread where I used Deangelo Benton as an example?
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Why are we bending corners if we're their fall back plan?
That's what the NCAA is currently trying to figure out. The past few years have been nothing but repeated rumors of our recruiting practices to the point that even the most homerific fans were ready for a change.
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Because it shows you that players that choose us as a back-up plan can be great players here.
Of course they can but since this is an area Auburn has recently struggled, shouldn't the new staff proceed with caution?
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You seriously think any college football coach just looks at the kids ranking to determine whether we should offer him or not? If so, you are dumb. No one is going to put their job in somebody else's hands by going off recruiting rankings.
Mike Dyer, Eric Smith, the Felony 4, Reece Dismukes, Zeke Pike, ect are the legacy of Gene Chizik. I'll repeat myself for the last time tonight by saying Auburn needs guys with heart and Character as all the talent in the world is meaningless without it
We'll just have to agree to disagree as I'm done with this discussion
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:51 pm to undecided
quote:So good players that would like to go to a school, but aren't given the opportunity so they choose another school, don't have heart and character?
I'll repeat myself for the last time tonight by saying Auburn needs guys with heart and Character as all the talent in the world is meaningless without it
And just so you know, 3 of the felony 4 had AU as their #1 school and we got them over several other top schools. They didn't come to us as a backup plan.
You're backpedaling. You started your argument by saying we didn't need to pursue players who would rather go to another school. Now you are saying we need to evaluate character and heart, which I agree with, but it wasn't your original point
This post was edited on 1/4/13 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 1/4/13 at 11:57 pm to undecided
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Again, reading is fundamental. Did you miss the post in this thread where I used Deangelo Benton as an example?
So Deangelo Benton lead to Auburn's downfall. Ok.
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That's what the NCAA is currently trying to figure out. The past few years have been nothing repeated rumors of our recruiting practice to the point that even the most homerific fans were ready for a change.
They would be looking into players that we got over other schools not ones who had to resort to their fall back plan.
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Of course they can but since this is an area Auburn has recently struggled, shouldn't the new staff proceed with caution?
You've listed one player. One. There will be hits and misses. I don't know what you expect them to do.
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I'll repeat myself for the last time tonight by saying Auburn needs guys with heart and Character as all the talent in the world is meaningless without it
You haven't said this one time in this thread. Everyone will agree with this.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree as I'm done with this discussion
Good. Because you can't make up your mind on what you're arguing.
Posted on 1/5/13 at 10:48 am to undecided
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If Alabama is his first choice I don't want him at Auburn.
IMO, this was Chizik and Troopers mo and our team played like Auburn was their fall back school. Nothing personal against Cunningham, but these our not the type of players I want as a part of a culture change at Auburn
You completely missed the point of why we sucked then.
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