Started By
Message
re: SC-NC All-Star Shrine Bowl
Posted on 12/26/13 at 2:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 12/26/13 at 2:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:
We've done pretty well at tricking the NFL into drafting our DBs, apparently
But not as well as us. He went to y'all to play WR and y'all have the edge there. He'd have been better off with us at DB.
0
Posted on 12/26/13 at 2:11 pm to SoGaFan
quote:
SoGaFan
Bailey isn't a Richt product.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 2:28 pm to CHSgc
quote:
a position where y'all squander talent religiously.
Oh, I am sorry. I must have missed where you said Richt. I listed all the former UGA DBs now in the NFL.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 3:59 pm to SoGaFan
quote:
Oh, I am sorry. I must have missed where you said Richt. I listed all the former UGA DBs now in the NFL.
No, you didn't miss it. You just used its omission to insert a player whose development owes nothing to the present coaching staff so your list would look a helluva lot better than it would w/o him.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 4:26 pm to WheelRoute
quote:
5* RB Elijah Hood (UNC)
Huge get by Fedora and staff
Posted on 12/26/13 at 5:35 pm to CHSgc
Please list the DBs placed in the NFL by USCe since Spurrier has been there since you believe they've done a better job.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 7:40 pm to CHSgc
quote:
the fact is he hasn't been productive yet,
It's tough to be productive when you're still recovering from a knee injury.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 7:53 pm to gatorhata9
quote:
Cock thinks Park sucks because of his All-Star game performance. Actually, he thinks all of our recruits suck.
I don't think all UGA recruits suck. Park is extremely overrated, but it's not for just his Shrine Bowl performance. He also threw 4 INT's in the State Championship. Actually, he had about 32 passing TD's and just under 20 INT's this season. Do those sound like the numbers for an Elite 11 QB, and if so, what planet is that on?
Posted on 12/26/13 at 7:55 pm to Crowknowsbest
quote:
If he had played well, CiYE would have said, "it's just an all-star game." He's just got a vendetta to shite on anything UGA, and that bias is showing.
Nah, Mason Rudolph isn't a USC commit, he's an Okie St commit, and I said he did really well. Also in this thread I said that Mosely (a Volol commit) had a good game. Park played like garbage his last couple games, he really didn't have a great season statistically, so I said he's overrated.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 7:58 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:
Damn. You sure pissed off the UGA fans.
Well wait until I post in this thread that Park's Shrine Bowl stats were:
3-11, 61 yards passing, -12 Net rushing, 3 Sacks (1 self Sack where he just fell down,) 1 Fumble (not lost recovered by RB) and 0 TD's.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 7:58 pm to CockInYourEar
What were his official stats this season? Rushing and passing? And how did he win Mr. Football with unimpressive stats?
This post was edited on 12/26/13 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 12/26/13 at 8:22 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:
Please list the DBs placed in the NFL by USCe since Spurrier has been there since you believe they've done a better job.
Spurrier has placed 9 DB's in the NFL since being at USC (counting from two years in so as not to include players developed by Holtz's staff, so don't try to say I'm counting Jonathan Joseph). Seven of those were drafted. But let's dig deeper.
Avg Rivals ranking of the 7 drafted players? 87.5 (3* or approximately the 450th best player in the country)
ADP of the 7 drafted players? 138th
Richt has had 7 DB's drafted in the same amount of time.
Avg Rivals ranking of the 7 drafted players? 91.7 (4* or good for a/b #200 on this year's top247)
ADP of the 7 drafted players? 137th
So, yeah, that's what we mean when we say y'all squander talent. UGA will take a 4*/92 DB and make him a 5th rounder. We'll do the exact same w/ a mid-level 3* ranked 250 spots lower.
But wait, there's more. UGA also has a string of high profile misses in the ATH and CB department who were similarly rated as Tramel Terry or higher (94 or 5.9 on Rivals). Your CJ Byrds, your Branden Smiths, your Jakar Hamiltons, your Bryan Evans...
UGA even got a commit from a South Carolina Mr. Football DB recruit in Richt's tenure, 4* Prince Miller. How'd he turn out? Glad you asked: he went undrafted.
For comparison's sake, how'd our last South Carolina Mr. Football DB recruit under Spurrier turn out? Stephon Gilmore was drafted 10th overall.
And let's not even get into the 5* position switching cautionary tale that is Richard Samuel.
This post was edited on 12/26/13 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 12/26/13 at 8:24 pm to SoGaFan
quote:
B. Boykin
C. Bailey
T. Jennings
R. Jones
S. Commings
B. Rambo
S. Williams
T. Davis*- now at LBer due to size
Is this supposed to be impressive?
Bailey wasn't even at UGA while Richt was there.
NFL DB's from USC under Spurrier
Johnathan Joseph (1st Rd) Pro Bowler
Ko Simpson (4th) 2 star player
Fred Bennett (4th) 2 Time All American
Captain Munnerlyn (7th) Starts for the Best NFL Defense
Stoney Woodson (7th)
Chris Culliver (Starter for SF, out this season with ACL)
Antonio Allen Starter for Jets
Stephon Gilmore (1st Rd) Starts for Bills
DJ Swearinger (2nd) Starts for Texans
Devonte Holloman Now is starting for the Cowboys. (guy ahead of him injured last week.)
USC has 7 Spurrier era DB's starting in the NFL right now. UGA has 3 Richt Era DB's staring int he NFL right now (Jennings, Jones, Davis.) Do you want me to go post how many 4 or 5 star DB's came into each program from 2005 till present?
ETA: nevermind, WheelRoute already did it.
This post was edited on 12/26/13 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 12/26/13 at 8:31 pm to CockInYourEar
quote:
Is this supposed to be impressive?
Bailey wasn't even at UGA while Richt was there.
NFL DB's from USC under Spurrier
Johnathan Joseph (1st Rd) Pro Bowler
Ko Simpson (4th) 2 star player
Fred Bennett (4th) 2 Time All American
Captain Munnerlyn (7th) Starts for the Best NFL Defense
Stoney Woodson (7th)
Chris Culliver (Starter for SF, out this season with ACL)
Antonio Allen Starter for Jets
Stephon Gilmore (1st Rd) Starts for Bills
DJ Swearinger (2nd) Starts for Texans
Devonte Holloman Now is starting for the Cowboys. (guy ahead of him injured last week.)
USC has 7 Spurrier era DB's starting in the NFL right now. UGA has 3 Richt Era DB's staring int he NFL right now. Do you want me to go post how many 4 or 5 star DB's came into each program from 2005 till present?
Your list is slightly different from mine. I didn't include Ko Simpson or Jonathan Joseph in my rankings analysis (b/c they played more under Holtz) and I considered Holloman an LB.
Also Emanuel Cook played for a bit despite going undrafted and Darian Stewart was undrafted too but plays regularly for STL.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 8:48 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
quote:
What were his official stats this season? Rushing and passing? And how did he win Mr. Football with unimpressive stats?
I have no idea how he won Mr Football. My best theory right now is that UGA just got trojan horsed. This was all a brilliant ruse orchestrated by none other than Steve Spurrier. He used his network to inflate the ranking of Jacob Park to the point that UGA Coaches were going to be chomping at the bit to get him in the fold. Then Spurrier sat back while Park had a Sr Season including (15 games):
246-461, 53.4% completion, 34 Passing TD's...
Jacob Park Stats
However, after a dismal 4 INT performance in the state championship and another awful Park performance in the Shrine Bowl, word started catching on that Park might be a bit overrated. So his coach (or whoever was in charge of posting Stratford HS's stats on Max Preps) deleted/omitted both his rushing yard, and INT totals from his MaxPreps profile. He was at about 12 INT's before the state playoffs though, so we just need to find the box scores for those games, and we already know he threw 4 INT's in the championship. So I'm guessing that it's right under 20 INT's total in 15 games.
This post was edited on 12/26/13 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 12/26/13 at 8:49 pm to WheelRoute
Congrats on Spurrier actually finally getting a QB through his entire eligibility. Talk about player development pitfalls.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 8:53 pm to WheelRoute
quote:
Your list is slightly different from mine. I didn't include Ko Simpson or Jonathan Joseph in my rankings analysis (b/c they played more under Holtz) and I considered Holloman an LB.
Also Emanuel Cook played for a bit despite going undrafted and Darian Stewart was undrafted too but plays regularly for STL.
I just made it simple and counted guys for either UGA or USC who graduated when the current HC was there. I could've got more specific and did 2005 to present, but I didn't. Stewart was a starter for years with Rams, but he isn't right now, so he can't count for that portion. You're right though that Cook and Stewart would illustrate the point even more. USC and Spurrier simply put more DB's and more starting DB's in the NFL than Richt.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 9:08 pm to WheelRoute
I'll respond to most of your post tomorrow when I have some more time. However, we've had 10 dbs drafted since Spurrier was hired with an average selection of 126th.
Sanders Commings
Bacari Rambo
Shawn Williams
Brandon Boykin
Reshard Jones
Asher Allen
Paul Oliver
Tim Jennings
Greg Blue
Demario Minter
I'd like to know how you did your recruiting rankings since 247 wasn't around long enough to get those for several of the recruits.
Sanders Commings
Bacari Rambo
Shawn Williams
Brandon Boykin
Reshard Jones
Asher Allen
Paul Oliver
Tim Jennings
Greg Blue
Demario Minter
I'd like to know how you did your recruiting rankings since 247 wasn't around long enough to get those for several of the recruits.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 9:09 pm to CockInYourEar
quote:
I just made it simple a... USC and Spurrier simply put more DB's and more starting DB's in the NFL than Richt.
.... and in far fewer years.
Dawg fans ignoring that? Ignoring my decent post about Park while preferring to argue over penty anti bravo sierra?
The SECr really is becoming troll central. And it's not because of the trolls, but because of the thin skinned posters who bite on every little thing, and worse, bite when they are not even being trolled ... just because they can't stand reading the truth.
Posted on 12/26/13 at 9:12 pm to scrooster
Honestly, I don't care if Park needs some time in the system. UGA, Richt, and Bobo have been fine at developing both 5 star guys and guys that were less well regarded out of high school. QB is simply not a position I am worried about at all.
Page 3 of 5
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News