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re: Josh Frazier, Stud DT from Arky.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 5:52 pm to aggressor
Posted on 11/4/13 at 5:52 pm to aggressor
First off, show me a team that is consistently beating Bama. The argument that you can't beat Bama with their own game is great. You can't consistently beat them with any game. It takes a Heisman trophy winner to beat them these days.
And honestly, who cares if you can't beat Bama with this style of offense. You can beat the other teams in the SEC with it.
I love it when people only focus on those two teams. So you're saying I can go 10-2 every year and that's a bad thing?
Also, it's year one and Bielema is already running the ball very well. We're #3 in the SEC in total rushing yards and #5 in YPC. That's with starting two true freshman and a walk-on on the OL. Just imagine how much better it is going to be when Skipper and Kirkland are older and the 4* guys we've signed/committed hit the line. Koehler, Jackson, Pruitt, Rogers are all going to fit in nicely. With Pittman coaching them up, OL is the least of my worries going forward.
The funny thing is people say this offense won't work because you can't run the ball with our talent. Our running game is just fine. It's our passing game that is terrible and is the reason why our offense is stalling out. Our QB and WR's are average to below-average. These are the skill players that were recruited for a pass friendly offense. In theory our passing game should be good and our running game should be shite this year. However, that is not even close to being accurate.
If they can get the passing game working then this offense will definitely work in the SEC. There isn't a doubt in my mind about that at all.
Our issue is the back seven of our defense. That is what is really holding us back from competing. Teams can move that ball at will on us because they play at the level of a DII school. Bielema is going to have to increase the talent back there before we can really start competing again.
And honestly, who cares if you can't beat Bama with this style of offense. You can beat the other teams in the SEC with it.
I love it when people only focus on those two teams. So you're saying I can go 10-2 every year and that's a bad thing?
Also, it's year one and Bielema is already running the ball very well. We're #3 in the SEC in total rushing yards and #5 in YPC. That's with starting two true freshman and a walk-on on the OL. Just imagine how much better it is going to be when Skipper and Kirkland are older and the 4* guys we've signed/committed hit the line. Koehler, Jackson, Pruitt, Rogers are all going to fit in nicely. With Pittman coaching them up, OL is the least of my worries going forward.
The funny thing is people say this offense won't work because you can't run the ball with our talent. Our running game is just fine. It's our passing game that is terrible and is the reason why our offense is stalling out. Our QB and WR's are average to below-average. These are the skill players that were recruited for a pass friendly offense. In theory our passing game should be good and our running game should be shite this year. However, that is not even close to being accurate.
If they can get the passing game working then this offense will definitely work in the SEC. There isn't a doubt in my mind about that at all.
Our issue is the back seven of our defense. That is what is really holding us back from competing. Teams can move that ball at will on us because they play at the level of a DII school. Bielema is going to have to increase the talent back there before we can really start competing again.
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Posted on 11/4/13 at 6:39 pm to TheCheshireHog
Do the Hogs miss Petrino yet?
Posted on 11/4/13 at 6:44 pm to Maroon Flash
Nope
Posted on 11/4/13 at 8:20 pm to TheCheshireHog
It's not about Bama and LSU. I don't see you beating A&M or Auburn either.
It's not whether or not you can run the ball. If you focus on running you can run. Army, Navy, Georgia Tech, and Air Force are all in the Top 10 in the NCAA in rushing but they all suck. If you run you have to have a great defense to go with it and solid special teams because you are making it harder for your team to score quickly. Bama and LSU can get away with it because they also have great WR's but mainly because they have great defenses loaded with elite talent.
Auburn is essentially doing what BB would like to do but they can do it because they have talent on D. Ohio State does it because they also have talent on D. I also don't think BB is going to be able to get the talent necessary to run the ball against good teams, at least not consistently enough.
My point on comparing it to Petrino was he was able to beat teams with Top 15 Recruiting classes without having Top 15 Recruiting Classes himself. Maybe BB proves me wrong, I just don't see it.
It's not whether or not you can run the ball. If you focus on running you can run. Army, Navy, Georgia Tech, and Air Force are all in the Top 10 in the NCAA in rushing but they all suck. If you run you have to have a great defense to go with it and solid special teams because you are making it harder for your team to score quickly. Bama and LSU can get away with it because they also have great WR's but mainly because they have great defenses loaded with elite talent.
Auburn is essentially doing what BB would like to do but they can do it because they have talent on D. Ohio State does it because they also have talent on D. I also don't think BB is going to be able to get the talent necessary to run the ball against good teams, at least not consistently enough.
My point on comparing it to Petrino was he was able to beat teams with Top 15 Recruiting classes without having Top 15 Recruiting Classes himself. Maybe BB proves me wrong, I just don't see it.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 8:33 pm to aggressor
quote:
Auburn is essentially doing what BB would like to do but they can do it because they have talent on D
That makes absolutely no sense at all and you should feel bad
Posted on 11/4/13 at 8:34 pm to aggressor
quote:the SEC is so cyclical between whose on top and whose on bottom this is just not true. Alabama is really the only constant towards the top.
I don't see you beating A&M or Auburn either.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 8:36 pm to oklahogjr
We're 45-25 against A&M but he doesn't see us beating them
Seems legit
Seems legit
Posted on 11/4/13 at 8:59 pm to Gladius Veritas
quote:
We're 45-25 against A&M but he doesn't see us beating them
45-25-3.
0-2 since A&M joined the SEC.
Posted on 11/4/13 at 11:00 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Sorry for the bruised vajayjays.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:05 am to Maroon Flash
not to get into the banter back and forth but people dont realize the recruiting advantage we have gained since being in the SEC. Texas would have to hire Saban to battle with us for recruits. Arky your days of beating A&M are behind us now. You guys might pull it off every now and then but it wont even be considered a rivalry anymore in a few years.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:15 am to Gladius Veritas
quote:If you're going to throw around all-time records, at least get it right.
Gladius Veritas
Arkansas is 41-26-3 all-time against A&M.
Arkansas is 0-1 all-time against Dallas Medical.
LINK
Posted on 11/5/13 at 6:27 am to Maroon Flash
I thought this was a flame free board but here's a 4 page flame thread.
This board sucks.
This board sucks.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 8:23 am to ImperialPalace
omg sorry I didn't get that gamechanging one entire loss in there
Posted on 11/5/13 at 9:25 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:
0-2 since A&M joined the SEC.
A&M being in the SEC isn't the reason for that. It's really a combo of two things.
1. JFF
2. Two of our worst teams ever
A&M would be 2-0 against us the past 2 years if they had decided to move down to FCS.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 9:57 am to Gladius Veritas
The point on Auburn is they have a power run game, a solid defense, and can burn you with the occasional pass. That's what BB is trying to build if he is trying to replicate what he did at Wisconsin. I just don't think he can recruit the right talent for that at Arky.
This isn't meant to be a flame Arky thread, a flame BB thread maybe, but not a flame Arky thread. I just think Arky should have gone for more the Art Briles route or some other HUNH/Spread guy. Arky can get that type of talent a lot easier than trying to get power football talent. You don't need to be loaded with 4 and 5 Stars to build that offense but you do need high level talent to win in the SEC West playing power football.
A&M has a similar issue in lack of elite defensive talent in Texas. It is there but offensive talent outweighs it by about 2 to 1 in most years (2014 actually has some pretty good D talent). Still, it is no coincidence that A&M has 8 or 9 Louisiana players on its defensive 2 Deep and 0 Louisiana players on the offensive.
I think Arky has a lot to offer and is a strong and respectable program. I just don't think it is going to have a lot of success trying to build a team centered around power football which requires a lot of elite talent to have a real chance of success because of their competition. Maybe I will be wrong but the more I see of what BB is doing the less I am nervous about Arky as a threat going forward until they make a change.
This isn't meant to be a flame Arky thread, a flame BB thread maybe, but not a flame Arky thread. I just think Arky should have gone for more the Art Briles route or some other HUNH/Spread guy. Arky can get that type of talent a lot easier than trying to get power football talent. You don't need to be loaded with 4 and 5 Stars to build that offense but you do need high level talent to win in the SEC West playing power football.
A&M has a similar issue in lack of elite defensive talent in Texas. It is there but offensive talent outweighs it by about 2 to 1 in most years (2014 actually has some pretty good D talent). Still, it is no coincidence that A&M has 8 or 9 Louisiana players on its defensive 2 Deep and 0 Louisiana players on the offensive.
I think Arky has a lot to offer and is a strong and respectable program. I just don't think it is going to have a lot of success trying to build a team centered around power football which requires a lot of elite talent to have a real chance of success because of their competition. Maybe I will be wrong but the more I see of what BB is doing the less I am nervous about Arky as a threat going forward until they make a change.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 10:30 am to BigEdLSU
Alright, let's leave the flaming for the Rant. Back to the OP. Do you Arky fans feel like Frazier is a lock? And if so, what has he said that makes you feel strongly that he'll end up a Razorback? 
Posted on 11/5/13 at 11:25 am to aggressor
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Arky can get that type of talent a lot easier than trying to get power football talent
The state of arkansas has put around the same amount of RBs into the NFL in the last decade as WRs and QBs combined
In fact we have more RBs in the NFL right now than LSU or Alabama. The offensive style isn't the problem.
No matter what style of offense we run they will always recruit better than us on defense, that's what separates us and them. But we've been playing power football our entire history. thats not been the problem at all.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 12:31 pm to gohogs141
You didn't play power football with Petrino.
The whole point is the defense. If you have a run based power game you HAVE to have a strong defense and special teams to make it work. If you run a power offense and get behind by a couple of scores you are in huge trouble because the pressure to score only builds and you aren't built to score quickly. With a Spread/HUNH you can get away with an average D because you can score and score fast. You can also outscheme the other team a lot more easily, if you are using a power offense you need to just beat the other guy with better talent in most cases.
The whole point is the defense. If you have a run based power game you HAVE to have a strong defense and special teams to make it work. If you run a power offense and get behind by a couple of scores you are in huge trouble because the pressure to score only builds and you aren't built to score quickly. With a Spread/HUNH you can get away with an average D because you can score and score fast. You can also outscheme the other team a lot more easily, if you are using a power offense you need to just beat the other guy with better talent in most cases.
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:20 pm to Arkansasrazorback
quote:
A&M being in the SEC isn't the reason for that. It's really a combo of two things.
1. JFF
2. Two of our worst teams ever
Mike Sherman would have lost the following games that we won last year:
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Louisiana Tech
Alabama
Oklahoma
and the following games we won this year:
Rice
Arkansas
Ole Miss
UTEP (yes, he would have found a way to LOSE)
Posted on 11/5/13 at 1:30 pm to Gladius Veritas
quote:Quit acting obtuse; you padded Arky's record with 4 phantom wins. I understand your need to troll using all-time records. But, as Rant historians, Arky fans have the duty to accurately cite the historical record.
omg sorry I didn't get that gamechanging one entire loss in there
Oh, and Frazier is an Arky lock.
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