re: Antonio Coleman (DL) flips from bammer to Auburn.

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“In the same footprint”

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The same top teams from the SEC and around the country recruit in the same footprint as Alabama.

You must be new to recruiting like some of the other AU posters or just very young.

Over the last 10 years Alabama averages pulling in around 4 of the top 10 recruits from instate. Averages 1 5 star per year from the state. That 4 of the last 10 years the top instate recruit went to AU or out of state.

In regard to same footprint Alabama over the last 10 years signed 24% of its class from the state of Alabama. I understand AU fans are getting excited but if anything, you will cause more problems for teams like UGA, Clemson, and UT than you will UA.

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That 4 of the last 10 years the top instate recruit went to AU or out of state

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So over half the time Bama has gotten their choice of the in state talent. And during the Harsin years Auburn did terrible in recruiting. But sure a new coach coming in and flipping recruits away from Bama isn’t cause for concern when in the years leading up to that even pre-Harsin, it was Bama flipping the recruits it wanted away from Auburn at the last second. Keep those Crimson glasses on.

You are trying and I understand as it is hard being an AU fan but taking one number I showed and ignoring the rest of what I wrote to defend your position shows desperation. Several years during that time period prior to Harsin AU grab the majority of top 5 recruits instate including the #1 recruit.

Again, as I pointed out Saban missed on many recruits instate to AU, UGA, and Clemson. It is just part of recruitment.

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it was Bama flipping the recruits it wanted away from Auburn at the last second.

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How many recruits did Alabama flip from AU during that time? Curious as I know we went head-to-head for many of them but just do not remember flipping anyone since Foster in 2013.

So please enlighten me or is that tinfoil hat causing you some confusion.

Keldrick Faulk was a five star for some recruiting sites and he started as a freshman and proved it. Freeze beat Bama and came one game away from winning the west. If you take the record from those years, they're good enough to make the playoff top 12. This isn't hard dude. If by proven you mean championship winning, ya got me there. lolololol I guess Freeze ain't proven because he couldn't win a National championship at Ole Miss??? Lol I do agree that time will tell but signing a top 7 class(might be higher) and already being top 3 for 2025(247) equals consistency right???????

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Freeze beat Bama and came one game away from winning the west.

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Two things here. First Saban has only had 2 undefeated seasons at UA so 15 of 17 years someone has beaten Saban. Not sure that holds any value. Second probably every year Saban has been at UA someone was one game away from winning the west. Again, no value added.

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This isn't hard dude. If by proven you mean championship winning, ya got me there. lolololol I guess Freeze ain't proven because he couldn't win a National championship at Ole Miss

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Exactly this is not hard. Ole Miss would make the 12-team playoff this year. So Freeze did not accomplish anything at Ole Miss that another coach was not able to.

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but signing a top 7 class(might be higher) and already being top 3 for 2025(247) equals consistency right???????

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The 2024 class is one class but until the 2025 class is signed it all speculation. In today's environment Freeze is under pressure to show success. If AU has bad season next year doubt that 2025 class will look the same. And I am saying that goes for any coach. I not sure Saban would have closed as strong if we missed the playoffs.

Ole Miss would make it under kiffin yes, but that's not what I was talking about. They also would have made it under Freeze when he beat Saban and won 10 plus games right? You said freeze wasn't a proven coach, and I wanted to highlight the fact that Jesus and an army of Angels couldn't take that team in Oxford to a championship lol All he has to do now is go 10-2 and he's top 12

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I feel silly having to say this, but out of 85 scholarship bama players the highest percentage from any one state will still be those from Bama. Yes, if you combine every other states players against those from Alabama's home state, there always be more players from those states combined. Getting those 6-7-8- or 9 guys from your home state is something I miss since Saban showed up, because it was a core group you could always count on. Look up 247 sports top 10 players from the state of Bama the last 10-12 cycles and tell me if losing that core is something Saban would allow or feel comfortable about. I'm not saying that the combined talent from the rest of the country can't sustain Bama, BUT they always had a strong foundation because of Auburn's recruiting ineptitude.

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Yes, Saban averages what around 6 players in state each year with 4 of those I believe in the top 10. But AU averages more instate kids during Saban's tenure. Many years over 30% including in 2011 AU finished ranked 3rd nationally with 40% of the class in state. But again, that correlated with AU winning a NC. So, what happens on the field will affect recruiting. Like I said earlier UA making the playoffs this year helped us finishing 2nd and I would not be surprised we finish stronger if we win the NC.

As I mentioned in another post UA only averages around 4 of the top 10 kids in state. Yes, Saban would probably want 2 or 3 more of those kids but I think he also understands that AU, UGA, and others in the area based on how they are doing on the field will get 5 to 6 of them every year. So, to sustain as you mention has to recruit nationally.

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Ole Miss would make it under kiffin yes, but that's not what I was talking about. They also would have made it under Freeze when he beat Saban and won 10 plus games right? You said freeze wasn't a proven coach, and I wanted to highlight the fact that Jesus and an army of Angels couldn't take that team in Oxford to a championship lol All he has to do now is go 10-2 and he's top 12

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I think Freeze can put AU in the playoffs. The SEC should be able to get 4 or 5 in each year. Just making the playoffs is a boost to recruiting and if it helps a team continue to finish with top 10 or lower classes they will have a chance every year to compete for a NC.

The issue now for any coach is the pressure they are under. Players are playing for themselves and a&m is a perfect example. Anyone can pull in a great class, but the coach now has to manage the personalities and get the players to buy in. So, time will tell if Freeze can do that. But that is the same for any coach currently.

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Bama always got first pick at every position before Auburn would get a shot at a guy.

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This is where we differ in opinion. As I said before Saban averages around 4 of the top 10 recruits instate on an annual basis with around 2 maybe 3(depending on the year) being in the top 5. To me that elite core is top 5 maybe 10 depending on the year. To clarify this, I am saying that Saban does want more of those top 10 and top 5 but he does not get them. So, he has never gotten everyone in state that he wants.

The only thing that has changed this year and possibly moving forward is that instead of Clemson (most likely) or UGA getting those players over Saban is Freeze at Auburn. Again, Saban will get some of the top players in the state he wants but he will also miss on just as many. The issue for Saban is AU being an in-state school with already established pipelines/connections.