re: Andrew Wiggins To Announce Possibly Tuesday

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Coach Cal somehow develops better fundamentals of top athletes in a year that puts them in a greater position to succeed in the NBA? Come on, now. That's a pretty ridiculous statement/argument.

I know absolutely nothing about coaching basketball and could have coached some of those guys into the first round

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That's not what I'm saying at all. Obviously those guys are going to be drafted high based on just raw potential (which I said in my previous post). What I am saying is that Cal doesn't just roll the balls out and let 'em just do bullshite in practice while the "talent" takes them all the way. Because that's exactly what some are making it sound like.

I do think at the very least he makes them better defensive players. And gets them prepared for all the hoopla of the NBA (like I said, see MKG and some of the things they did with him when he could barely hold an interview with media). It's still coaching and development even if the talent is there.

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You said 2 or 3 done. Lamb and Jones both fall under that.

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You directly quoted me saying beyond sophomore year in your response. So once again, juniors/seniors and I provided a perfectly good example. Your juniors/seniors last season were a big bag of mediocre to suck.

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Like I said, call me when you see a Cal practice before you make that judgement.

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As if other practices are way different? Look, you can believe Cal does some sort of miracle development in simply months all you want, fact is players dont "Develop" that fast. Fact is these kids learn more from playing much better competition that quickly than pickup a simple thing or two. It takes well beyond a semester and a half to have any true development.

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This is where I disagree. I think he's unique in getting those guys to work together/play together and really buckle down to get it done in practice and in the game.

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Getting 1 and dones to play together is not the same thing as individual player development.

I truly believe basketball players develop over time, anyone would be stupid not to believe that from high school beyond. But I think you have to be really naive to believe that development is as quick as 1 season. They are pretty much the same player they were out of high school with experience against better competition at that point adjusting/adjusted to it.

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As if other practices are way different?

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I've seen some great coaches and some of their practices. Saw guys like Denny Crum, Pitino, Cal, and etc. They're all different.

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You directly quoted me saying beyond sophomore year in your response.

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Eh, you then said 2 or 3 done. I wouldn't say Liggins or Miller sucked per se. Both spent at least two seasons under Cal and stayed past their sophomore year with him.

And me saying that there is development on behalf of coaching in a full season with a player is no less crazy then anyone saying there isn't.

I'd be willing to bet if we're talking about a talented kid who plays under Coach K or Roy Williams for a season you'd wildly disagree.

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I've seen some great coaches and some of their practices. Saw guys like Denny Crum, Pitino, Cal, and etc. They're all different.

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I think it's silly to attribute the way Cal practices is somehow vastly different than any other good coach practices their players. It's practice, they are all teaching the same type of principals and fundamentals.

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Eh, you then said 2 or 3 done.

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I said before that post...

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Sure, if it was 2 or 3 and done and they had 2-3 years in college, I'd buy they get developed some.

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That was strictly about player development, which we all agree a player actuallydevelops the most 2+ years in vs. less than a year. My next comment after that was saying Kentucky is getting so many 1 and 2 dones that if you last beyond your sophomore year these days you're either mediocre or sucky, which, well, i provided with a pretty factual thing of your juniors or seniors last season.

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And me saying that there is development on behalf of coaching in a full season with a player is no less crazy then anyone saying there isn't.

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Like I said, no one is saying theres ZERO development, but to suggest there's some sort of SIGNIFICANT development by coaching is pretty silly in the very short amount of time a 1 and done is there. Players pickup way more from simply playing much better competition learning on the fly than soaking up a lot of good coaching information in that short amount of time. Just getting to college that first year is a shock on the player of how much harder it is for them. They are just trying to catch up to the speed of the game and the size/athleticism of the players that early.

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I'd be willing to bet if we're talking about a talented kid who plays under Coach K or Roy Williams for a season you'd wildly disagree.

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Once again, never said they dont pickup ANYTHING, just nothing significant that quickly. I dont care who the coach is. It's pretty clear with almost any player who stays beyond their first year they tend to become a much more refined or polished player as time goes on and they truly develop.

Like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree. I think Wiggins, wherever he goes, ends up being the top pick in the draft next season. But I think he could pick up more in terms of preparation for the NBA from Cal then he would Hamilton. Clearly JMO though.

He needs no "nba preparation"... the dude would be a lottery pick this year, if he were draft eligible.