re: 5* RB Lorenzo Lingard to Miami

No it's not. No matter how you look at it

Please keep butter teeth...Muschamps recruits are gone now

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UGA has outrecuited us because Mac is an average recruiter in 2015 and 2016.That is not brag worthy. Smarts classes haven't even made a impact yet outside Eason. Even then His stats as a QB are far better than the QB "guru". The reason why we've beaten UGA The last 3 yrs was WM nfl level recruits from 2014-2016. They're gone. In the 2015-2016 drafts UGA had 3 players taken in the first 3 rds and only 2 1st rd picks. They almost have zero nfl guys this year. UF had 4 1st rd picks alone and 6 guys taken in 1-3 rds with more on the way from the last 2 drafts. UF may triple-quadruple UGAs nfl output in 1st rd picks alone.. Also you're hoping Smart is like WM but WM didn't recruit at Smarts level. UF has a coaching and recruiting problem. We're going backwards in elite talent and hiring unknown commodities and keeping garbage coaches on staff.

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UGA has outrecruited us because Muschamp ate a fat dick the last two years of his coaching and failed to recruit at every offensive position.

It wasn't that he didn't get ''decent'' or ''star-worthy'' recruits, it's that he didn't understand how, exactly, to apply them best. A guy like Humphries went early, got a first round pick but his entire tenure at Florida looked like he was literally on wheels, being pushed around at will.

The fact is: Two of those draft picks are CBs, and the best CB for our last game was Gardner, not a Muschamp recruit. Jefferson is the future at line and Zuñiga is coming along.

We had to play three freshmen at linebacker this year, and each of them stepped up to the challenge and looked quite impressive.

Everyone keeps saying ''Muschamp's recruits are gone...'', and by the LSU game, they pretty much had been. The three linebackers were from McElwain (even though we played one with a high-ankle sprain), the safeties were from McElwain and two linemen who dominated playing time were as well.

I know it hurts you, TJ, but McElwain's defense was on the field as well, not completely, but a lot of it was out there and the fact that we set records against Iowa the last game with a bunch of guys sitting out instead of, say, getting blown out by a team like Louisville at the end of the year makes me pretty confident you don't know dick. You seriously don't know anything, you just look at raw stats and have no depth perception.

His players looked good, and outside of QB play -- the offense has been making offensive plays we haven't seen in the past decade. He needs time to actually develop a quarterback, one that he recruited and then had around for a while -- neither of which he had in Appleby (a guy who couldn't start at Purdue) nor Luke Del Rio.

The one true quarterback he had led us to a blowout over Ole Miss and a comeback against Tennessee.

Georgia has outrecruited us because our football program fricking sucked, 4 - 8 and 7 - 6 are not records that make recruits want to come play, and they need to see if McElwain will actually go somewhere or not, and who can blame them? I know I can't. So with that...

We have to wait. The good things have been really good, the bad have been moderately bad (outside of not pulling LDR in Arkansas, that was pretty bad).

Recruiting is going up, we ended the year on a win which is better than last year and we beat LSU for the first 2012.

Want to know something more incredible? We did it in spite of being outrecruited by LSU, and miserably outrecruited.

So, for me, winning with less is what I look forward to. One quarterback is all we need, but, for Georgia, if they had a decent coach, they'd beat us with ease. But it's just not going to happen with Kirby there.

And if you're saying you'd prefer Kirby, you're crazy. They were outrecruiting us and he walked into a better situation than McElwain did yet we destroyed them with their Eason.

Get accustomed to the Gators winning, TJ.

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Georgia does not have a recruiting problem

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You have been proven wrong on this, but you aren't smart enough to know it. Heck, you aren't even smart enough to respond with a post about uga recruiting. You struggle with basic reading concepts.

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This makes no sense. Can't blame the former coach for your current coaches recruiting in 2016 and 2017.

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You don't think him going 4 - 8 and then 7 - 6, getting shitcanned and having the same offensive production for four years had zero impact on Florida recruiting?

Young guys sitting behind more experienced players is how it's supposed to work. You just don't realize that because Muschamp left nobody on offense and we had all freshmen and sophomores playing every position instead of having any sort of senior leadership on that side of the ball. The young linebackers sitting behind Jarrad Davis and Anzalone all year is a good thing, it's how you establish depth and develop young guys. If you're using the fact that they didn't play until Davis and Anzalone got hurt as a knock on Mac, that doesn't make any fricking sense. The young guys stepped up and played very well when the older guys got hurt. That's a positive. I've never seen any Gator fan, ever, spin a freshman all conference player into being a bad thing. True freshmen making plays on the road against LSU is a big deal. True freshmen getting three interceptions in three games is a big deal. True freshmen having like 75 tackles in half of a season is a big deal. Vosean Joseph played his arse off against LSU, FSU, Alabama, and Iowa. Why are you making those guys stepping up a negative thing? Oh right, because they're Mac's players and that doesn't fit your narrative.

Same thing with Chauncey Gardner. He was behind a senior for most of the year, and when Marcus Maye got hurt against South Carolina, he stepped up and got three picks in the three games he started. How is that a knock on Mac? And Zuniga was a freshman and he led the team in sacks. I don't care who he got the sacks against, he'll develop more consistency. He's young. Players can develop and improve. Taking a shot at Cece Jefferson is laughable. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the impact he has on our defensive line. You're just a troll.

Brantley was a hell of a player for us, and I hate to lose him. But he really started coming on in his last two years because he was developed by good coaching. And you've begun to see that on offense as well. We all know what Callaway is, we've seen flashes from Cleveland, Hammond, and Swain as well. We've seen flashes from Scarlett and Perine and Thompson. We've seen flashes from the OL as a whole. We have even seen flashes from the quarterbacks. We have to find consistency and a quarterback to lead us for the next few years. And who are the projects we've taken on defense outside of that Brunson kid, who was injured and was all Dade for two years despite being injured? All of our DBs were four stars, all of our linebackers with the exception of Brunson were highly regarded three stars who almost everybody said was underrated IF YOU WATCH THE FILM, and we had the #3 DE in the country in Zach carter and the #1 OG in the country that is just happened to gonna play DT for us, and we got three other 4 star DTs. Where's the project outside of that one kid? And that one kid is at Randy Shannons position of expertise. I trust his evaluation of a linebacker over a troll UGA fan on a message board.

They set records for passing yards and yards allowed, the longest touchdown, and I think the defense set one more record if I'm not mistaking. I don't care who your playing, that's impressive considering it was practically all of next years defense due to injuries.

I'm not getting into the argument about UGA's recruiting. They've always recruited good. They've recruited great since Kirby got there. The juries still out on what kind of coach he is on the field, and I won't look at him as someone to worry about until he proves that he can win on the field. You said something about Mac would've finished with a higher class than UGA if he wasn't fired. Do you realize that his class was ranked 121st when Mac was hired? He may not have cracked the top 50 in recruiting that year. You can deny it all you want, but Mac did an incredible job to close that class in the top 20. And he's had several guys from that class contribute. And even more from the 2016 class. And there's no reason to think that even more from the 2017 class won't contribute.

One last thing, I can't figure out why you try to use success of our players to bash Mac and as justification for Muschamp. Success for Gators is success for Gators. Muschamp is not a Gator. Why do you use this ridiculous reasoning to say that Muschamp is in some way better than Mac? It makes absolutely no sense. Muschamp got good recruiting rankings, but Mac's classes have filled needs and gotten us players that have produced already, despite being young. We're finally catching up on offense because of what Muschamp did to that side of the ball. Mac has restocked the positions on defense with talented guys. So shut the frick up with your bitching and trolling, and enjoy watching the program that is being built.

And by the way, this 2018 OL class is shaping up very nicely.

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ou don't think him going 4 - 8 and then 7 - 6, getting shitcanned and having the same offensive production for four years had zero impact on Florida recruiting?

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Little to none. A good recruiter knows how to sell that.

WM offense was not depleted it had RBs, QBs, WRs and was thin on the OL. Grier would be our QB now if Mac wouldn't have shown him the door unlike Cleveland or Thompson.

Projects

Brunson
Trask
Jackson
McWilliams
Stiner
Franks
Ancrum
Putu
Forsythe
Campbell
Allen
Burnett
Wells
Heggie
Etc.
Only a handful of Mac's recruits that were 3*s have made any consistent impact.
None of UFs true freshman had 75 tackles. You're fos. Vosean had 13 tackles all year. 6 were in the bowl game. You act like this team had no talent surrounding these freshman and they did it themselves. They were surrounded by NFL talent WM recruited. You're so fos again. Brantley was a beast the moment he stepped on the field. You're crazy if you think that offense flashed anything other than a disaster. Thompson had one big play all year. Same with Cleveland. We've seen nothing from Hammond or Swain. I don't know what games you're watching. Scarlett still can't read a hole or pass block. Callaway still can't run a correct route. That's all on coaching. All our DBs weren't 4*s. 3 were 4*s and 3 we're 3*s.

A 5* is supposed to be a franchise player. Cece hasn't been that. Right now he's in the same category as Byron Cowart.

Link the articles other than UF homers that said our LBers were underrated. Underrated in recruiting is code for not good but you hope it pans out.

Most of Mac's signees are projects. Just look at who's played out of all the 3*s he's signed. He's signed 20+ yet only a handful have made any impact. UFs recruiting was going to be fine if WM was retained. The reason why it was in the hundreds was because he was canned. Mac was able to pull in a class because he was new. What's the excuse for these below UF standard classes now? The justification is because Mac's success is directly because of WMs recruiting. Without WM players we lose to Vandy,UT, UGA, LSU, OM, etc. Mac won Those games because a WM player bailed him out. Mac's classes may have filled needs but it lacks elite talent. WM brought it in at least on defense and at RB,and Grier. How is finishing behind WM at 116th catching up? There is no evidence that Mac's offense can work here. You're dreaming. Mac's defense is Sav a lot brand compared to WM, Meyer, SOS and Even Zook.

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was 21st (after Muschamp was fired with the then contemporaneously ranked 100+ class), his next year was 12th and this year was 10th.

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He needed to follow that first class up with better. A good recruiter would have hit a home run in the 2016 or 2017 class, especially after a trip to the dome. A great one would have hit 2 homers in a row. Your coach didn't hit one. In fact, he Didn't get top ten in quality in either class. Your roster is now 3 star heavy.

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You will not win this argument.

These are the same people who said Meyer left them with nothing, and praised MusChamp for his one good year, saying he made gold out of sh*t.

LINK

One guy even took a crap on Floyd because he was from the north, and said he wasn't any good, the same guy who was drafted in the first round

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These guys are trying to argue Muschamp recruited well and had ''real'' top ten classes. Muschamp literally left McElwain with nothing on one side of the ball, Meyer left Muschamp a pretty good team.