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re: 4* WR Kemah Siverand commits to The University of Texas A&M
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:37 am to NGATiger
Posted on 5/30/14 at 12:37 am to NGATiger
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It also isn't a hard concept that you can't just recruit WRs well and be consistently successful. Thats the point (I hope) he was making
You also can't be successful if you only recruit penguins named Steve. But we aren't doing that, either.
Here's the WRs that Sumlin has recruited so far, by class:
2012
Thomas Johnson - Quit football (medical)
Sabian Holmes - Jr.
Eddie Pope - RS-So
Derel Walker - JUCO, Graduated
2013
Cam Clear (TE) - JUCO, Sr.
Quiv Gonzalez - So
Sebastian LaRue - Transferred to WSU
Kyrion Parker - RS-Fr
Ricky Seals-Jones - MedRS-Fr
Jeremy Tabuyo - So
JaQuay Williams - Transferred (Louisville?)
2014
Frank Iheanacho - Fr
Jamal Jeffrey - Fr
Speedy Noil - Fr
Josh Reynolds - JUCO
So for the 4 WR positions (+ TE), we've recruited 15 players. Four of those are already gone for various reasons, so that leaves us a total of 11 for the last three recruiting classes.
So no, we're not recruiting more WRs than we need to.
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 7:49 am
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Posted on 5/30/14 at 1:29 am to Mirthomatic
You left off sophomore Jay Tabuyo.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 7:49 am to CGSC Lobotomy
You're right, thanks. Fixed.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:28 am to Mirthomatic
In that same period LSU has
12:
WR Travin Dural
WR Kavahra Holmes
13:
TE Desean Smith
WR Avery Peterson
WR John Diarse
WR Rickey Jefferson
WR Quantavius Leslie
WR Kevin Spears
TE Logan Stokes
14:
WR Malachi Dupre
WR Trey Quinn
TE Jacory Washington
WR Tony Upchurch
WR DJ Clark
That's 14 total
So in 13 and 14 combined they actually signed more than we did
12:
WR Travin Dural
WR Kavahra Holmes
13:
TE Desean Smith
WR Avery Peterson
WR John Diarse
WR Rickey Jefferson
WR Quantavius Leslie
WR Kevin Spears
TE Logan Stokes
14:
WR Malachi Dupre
WR Trey Quinn
TE Jacory Washington
WR Tony Upchurch
WR DJ Clark
That's 14 total
So in 13 and 14 combined they actually signed more than we did
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 8:29 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:41 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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TE Desean Smith
WR Avery Peterson
WR John Diarse
WR Rickey Jefferson
WR Quantavius Leslie
WR Kevin Spears
TE Logan Stokes
2 of these are clearly TEs, Jefferson was never expected to play receiver, and LSU only took 2 in 2012 (one of which is a CB).
Posted on 5/30/14 at 8:43 am to LSU Patrick
And we typically use a fourth WR instead of a TE, that's the point. We counted Cam Clear in our numbers who is basically an offensive lineman, he caught like 4 passes last year.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:10 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Fair enough on the TEs. What about the other points?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:16 am to LSU Patrick
What other points are you trying to make?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:16 am to LSU Patrick
So you switched two WRs to DB? They were still signed as WRs. Even if you take them out you've signed 12 over 3 years compared to 15 for us and signed the same amount over the last two years.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:17 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
And LSU doesn't even throw the ball. 
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:25 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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So you switched two WRs to DB?
Everyone knew that Ricky would be a DB. Again, we took two WRs in 2012, TWO.
Thus, your comparison LSU WR recruiting is poor.
I'm not sure what you are trying to defend or rationalize. It's clear that A&M is taking talent. There's nothing wrong with that. LSU has done this many times, especially with DBs. Bama takes OLs like they are going out of style. Sometimes, you take the best guys on your board regardless of the position they play. In the end, however, it does somewhat inflate the perceived value of the class.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:37 am to LSU Patrick
What do you even mean? So, if A&M sign 5-5* WR, they shouldn't all count towards the perceived strength of the class? Even if A&M signs the 2 best LB's in the state, the 3 best DT's in the state, and likely the top 2-3 best CB's in the state, those 5-5* WR would hold it back? Not to mention only needing one more commit on the Oline to take all of the top targets at the position this state is offering.
The frick are you saying?
The frick are you saying?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 9:50 am to LSU Patrick
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I'm not sure what you are trying to defend or rationalize. It's clear that A&M is taking talent. There's nothing wrong with that. LSU has done this many times, especially with DBs. Bama takes OLs like they are going out of style. Sometimes, you take the best guys on your board regardless of the position they play. In the end, however, it does somewhat inflate the perceived value of the class.
The argument we're disputing is this one, made by other LSU posters:
quote:
It also isn't a hard concept that you can't just recruit WRs well and be consistently successful. Thats the point (I hope) he was making
Over the last three years, we've recruited 15 players for essentially 4.5 positions (4 WR and 1 TE). Considering that 4 of those guys are already gone, and our offense is so pass-heavy, how is it even remotely odd that we now have 1 WR and 1 TE in the current class?
In fact, we're probably going to add another 3 WR to the haul before we're done. And that will be entirely reasonable.
And if the point was that we are ONLY recruiting well at WR.... well, Myles Garrett and Daylon Mack say "Hi"
This post was edited on 5/30/14 at 9:52 am
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:01 am to Mirthomatic
I know this is a recruiting board however is it possible to consider actual wins, conference titles, head-to-head victories? If we look at that BAMA is head and shoulders in front of everyone. Recruiting doesnt matter, its translating that to wins. right?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:04 am to JimmyHDeridderhigh
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Recruiting doesnt matter, its translating that to wins. right?
Not in an Aggie thread.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:04 am to JimmyHDeridderhigh
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I know this is a recruiting board however is it possible to consider actual wins, conference titles, head-to-head victories? If we look at that BAMA is head and shoulders in front of everyone. Recruiting doesnt matter, its translating that to wins. right?
This is a recruiting board, and if you haven't noticed, we didn't stroll into the SEC with all the talent we needed. We are now getting that talent and you are bitching about it.
Do you see how we need that telnet to transfer that talent to wins?
Do the dots line up for you, ever?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:06 am to JimmyHDeridderhigh
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I know this is a recruiting board however is it possible to consider actual wins, conference titles, head-to-head victories? If we look at that BAMA is head and shoulders in front of everyone. Recruiting doesnt matter, its translating that to wins. right?
Are you saying that, ultimately, it's wins that matter? If so, I don't know anyone who would disagree with you. But I don't see how that's relevant, considering we're being asked to determine whether the decision to take X number of WRs is good strategy. We can't ask how many wins they've contributed to, because they haven't played.
Not sure what you're getting at, but I'm open if you want to expand on your point a bit.
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:09 am to Mirthomatic
Don't "expand" on the point. Just get right to it. 
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:23 am to Mirthomatic
it's wins that matter, this recruiting stuff is touch and go. If you need to be argumentative then argue about what actually occurred not what possibly could. is that ok?
Posted on 5/30/14 at 10:24 am to Swaggit
My point was Offense up is all good......but until Sumlin takes Defense seriously, it won't matter
And history tells us he won't or doesn't care
And history tells us he won't or doesn't care
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