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re: 4* WR Drake Davis

Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:58 pm to
Posted by FightinTiga
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 6:58 pm to
Did you watch the game? You don't think he's better out of the pocket? Don't be so sensitive dude,just an observation.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:27 pm to
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Maybe you didn't notice the fact he was running for his life all game because his OL is terrible.


If you haven't noticed Patterson is in the same boat. All that Elite talent you speak of is on the D or Skill Positions (except for 1 guard committed to ND)

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When Patterson went up against a better team in Game 1 his team managed 7 points...with ELITE D1 talent all over on his offense.


Except in the scrimmage against AH they were actually the underdog. AH actually had more "star power" on the field that night since IMG held out 4 kids ranked in the top 50.

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Why was that? Oh, he was being pressured most of the game.


That is the point, SP was being pressured yet still had his team in the game even with numerous drops by his WRs. He'd scramble and get out of trouble and try to make a play.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:30 pm to
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Did you watch the game? You don't think he's better out of the pocket? Don't be so sensitive dude,just an observation.


Just fricking with y'all since there is such an LSU hate on SP thought process. He always has looked good on tithe move. I think he needs to settle in the pocket & will as he learns to trust his OLine
Posted by Miganey
Austin, Tx
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 7:52 pm to
I came here for a Drake Davis thread
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:06 pm to
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If you haven't noticed Patterson is in the same boat. All that Elite talent you speak of is on the D or Skill Positions (except for 1 guard committed to ND)



I said as much Patterson struggled in game 1 in my post because of pressure, much like Franks...And IMG is the most talented team the country. You're also flat wrong about the only other talent being on D or skill positions, they have multiple top OL kids:

2016
LINK
- 1 4-star OL headed to Ohio State
- Another unranked OL who is still 6'6 282 pounds

2017
LINK
- 2 4-star OL, both already with very long major P5 offer lists
- Another unranked OL who is 6'5, 260


So CLEARLY you are flat wrong on IMG having "all their talent at offensive skill and defense". There likely isn't another team in the nation with 3 4-star Olinemen on it spread over the senior and junior classes.


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Except in the scrimmage against AH they were actually the underdog. AH actually had more "star power" on the field that night since IMG held out 4 kids ranked in the top 50.



What 4 players? Saivon Smith and Shaver Manuel were the only notables missing. Both defensive players. Their RB (committed to Purdue) got hurt in the game itself. The main guys out for the game were on DEFENSE and the defense still allowed, what, 12 points against one of the top teams in the country? You're just using excuses.

As the other links clearly show, Patterson has PLENTY of talent to work with offensively, on the OL, at WR and TE. If you somehow think multiple 4-star OLinemen, a 5-star TE, 4-star WR and a couple more D1 WRs isnt more talent to work with than anyone else in the country, then I'm not sure how else to blatantly lay it out on the line for you.

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That is the point


Yes, that's EXACTLY the point I tried to make and now you're trying to make every excuse in the book for Patterson yet somehow it works different for Franks who was under immensely more pressure even.

The fact is the biggest thing working against IMG is their team chemistry. They add all these players a month or two before a season starts and none of these guys have ever played with another, so when they play a even lesser talented but ultimately well coached team like American Heritage (certainly some talent on there, but NOTHING close to IMG) with guys who have been playing with each other since pee-wee, you see what happens.

The fact is both Patterson and Franks struggled and it was due to pressure, pressure they are likely not used to seeing. They both played top notch high school teams and both couldn't get consistent protection for their OL, something they both will get in college and have more than shown with protection can perform on an elite level hence very lofty rankings.
Posted by Geralt of Rantia
NC State University
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:14 pm to
Don't let your full blown love affair with Shea cloud your judgment. Franks will come in and contribute immediately.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:18 pm to
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Don't let your full blown love affair with Shea cloud your judgment. Franks will come in and contribute immediately.



Shea might start at Ole Miss right away considering their QB situation.

Franks has zero shot to start as a freshman, and likely wont start until he's a sophomore or even junior.
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:44 pm to
If Franks comes in and has to contribute early, something went wrong at LSU. He isn't near ready to contribute as a FR. I'm not saying Shea is or isn't because I think Freeze's O is more QB friendly, but Franks needs a year or so for the game to slow down after playing at Wakulla.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17446 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:46 pm to
So what you are saying is that Spartanburg is comparable to American Heritage....yeah I just don't see it bubba. The best write up on the scrimmage is here where the reporter makes the case American Heritage may have the best Defense in the country:

LINK

Patterson and Franks both got flushed from the pocket in their games this weekend. The difference is Patterson is elusive and extended the play. Ultimately he hit 70% of his passes for 3 TDs in his win over the State's #13th ranked team. Franks is about as mobile as the Statue of Liberty and his team got waxed in the 2nd half by a team from SC that just drove 8 hours the day prior.
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
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Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:48 pm to
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Franks has zero shot to start as a freshman, and likely wont start until he's a sophomore or even junior.


I completely 100% agree with you on this!

Edit: I hope they RS Patterson also
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:51 pm to
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So what you are saying is that Spartanburg is comparable to American Heritage


No, that's not what I was saying at all. Seems my post went completely over your head. I'm not going to bother even reading the rest of your post, because I'm sure it went off on some irrelevant tangent.

My point was BOTH guys got pressured and didnt perform well. My ultimate point was QBs under pressure dont perform as well. The end game is both guys are going to places in college they wont be under near that amount of pressure all the time so it's pretty irrelevant what they did in those games, and I'm sure both will maintain elite rankings.
Posted by BallstotheWesleyWall
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 8:56 pm to
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Shea might start at Ole Miss right away considering their QB situation.


Unless Kelly, RB and Kincade are all garbage and/or leave the program, and Pellerin doesn't develop as a redshirt, he has no chance at starting. True freshman quarterbacks rarely do well.

But back to the thread at hand, I think it's safe to say Drake Davis will either be a Rebel or Tiger. Our side expects a commitment from him and soon. The Crystal Ball agrees at 79 percent. I'm hoping we do in fact land him because he looks like a helluva player. I definitely don't expect us to land A.J. Brown but IF we did, that would be a helluva receivers/tight end haul in Metcalf, Davis, Brown, Cooley and Angel.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:06 pm to
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Unless Kelly, RB and Kincade are all garbage and/or leave the program, and Pellerin doesn't develop as a redshirt, he has no chance at starting. True freshman quarterbacks rarely do well.



Hate to break it to you, but Ole Miss certainly looks like it will have major issues at QB this year. The Spring game was just a horror show and this fall it certainly seems like no one can separate themselves much from the 3-man suckage race. Hell, even Freeze said the competition could well into the first few games...

Now, they may be "serviceable", but serviceable wont be enough to keep Shea off the field in year 1. He will be by far your most talented QB and can improvise well enough to not have to have everything down pat and start right away to give you a much needed upgrade at the QB position. I wish our system wasn't so complicated that Harris could have gotten on the field more as a freshman...
Posted by HailFreezusOver
Oxford
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:19 pm to
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:26 pm to
If you think differently please share something other than one of the most overused gifs on here.

So you think Ole Miss wont struggled at QB this year?
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
17446 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:38 pm to
I think if Freeze can get Wallace to be more than serviceable then MGK should do fine if not be an upgrade. If that is the case I doubt SP will come in and unseat the incumbent QB. Plus I would prefer Patterson has the opportunity to sit behind a starter for a year to learn the system, put on some weight and get acclimated to college life.
Posted by BallstotheWesleyWall
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Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:42 pm to
Kelly had a decent spring game and DK wasn't half-bad either. It also didn't help that they were without an All-American left tackle and All-American wide receiver. Tunsil and Treadwell will make their lives easier this fall.

Also, they won't play a defense all year as good as the one they play in practice every day. I'm not too terribly optimistic but don't think it's as dire as you're making it out to be.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:45 pm to
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Kelly had a decent spring game and DK wasn't half-bad either.


They had Anthony Jennings-esque stat lines and the big story to come out of that game was the fact the QBs all looked horrible...

Short of Vanderbilt there doesnt seem to be a worse QB situation in the SEC than the one at Ole Miss.
This post was edited on 8/30/15 at 9:46 pm
Posted by memphisplaya
Member since Jan 2009
85790 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:47 pm to
Someone got butthurt over my post. Plain and simple, Davis's commitment when it happens has every right to be called into question. He's quit football once before to focus on soccer, and his father is none other than that SOB Lester Earl. RA all you want, but there is zero you can say otherwise to prove that statement wrong.
Posted by BallstotheWesleyWall
Swagosphere
Member since Jan 2014
9364 posts
Posted on 8/30/15 at 9:50 pm to
So shiny but I really don't care how you feel about our quarterback situation. I know you want me to care but I just don't. Can we bring this back to Drake Davis like what's been attempted before?
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