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re: 4 * LB Willie Gay decommits from OM
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:08 pm to Tigerdad2001
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:08 pm to Tigerdad2001
Oh I know. Just not enough games played with them to post stats. I left off a state linebacker as well that fell within the same criteria.
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:11 pm to Reservoir dawg
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Reservoir dawg
On what date is Willie OV'ing MSU?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:34 pm to UMRealist
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Most overrated player in the last 5 cycles
That's possible. He should have been a 5 star athlete.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 1:39 pm to BobBarker
14th.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:01 pm to BDJ
The performance differences are not as big as you make them out to be. To answer your question as to why a kid would want to come to MSU, take a look at recruiting rankings of each player. Without looking, I would guess that all of the players from LSU were highly ranked recruits while all of the State guys were 2 and 3 star guys. The point is Merlin develops players. Les Miles couldn't develop a good shite which is why he is out in the driveway kicking rocks. That's why he would come to State
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:13 pm to BDJ
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LSU has had 3 taken (Russel, Flynn, Mett) since Miles has been coach.
I thought you only wanted to use "solid" players.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:14 pm to tb27688
Did you just insinuate that Les Miles couldn't develop players at LSU? Are you insane? LSU has more players in the NFL than anyone and probably averaged about the 8th or so best recruiting class each year under Les. A ton of 3* guys became high draft picks and are currently in the NFL from LSU under Les.
You're clueless bro. Refrain from speaking again in this thread. Willie Gay is gonna be a boss under Aranda in the purple and gold
You're clueless bro. Refrain from speaking again in this thread. Willie Gay is gonna be a boss under Aranda in the purple and gold
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:28 pm to BDJ
Dude Pernell McPhee, Mckinney, and Wright are all awesome NFL linebackers. And State develops qbs WAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than LSU. Quit jumping down a Mississippi State fans throat because he believes a Mississippi kid wants to go to State.
You sound ridiculous.
You sound ridiculous.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:29 pm to tb27688
We were talking about solid Linebackers. You or one of the other State guys brought up State developing QBs. They have only had 5 drafted ever. That was my point. I never said they were solid. Dak isn't as good as people think was my other point. Dallas has an all-world offensive line. They REALLY do. Put Brees back there and he passes for 6k. Dak had 3800?
State hasn't , in its history, have developed maybe 1 QB. QBs and development have just about as much room being mentioned with LSU as it does with Miss State.
State hasn't , in its history, have developed maybe 1 QB. QBs and development have just about as much room being mentioned with LSU as it does with Miss State.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:34 pm to I-H8-BAMA
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease tell me who in the frick State has developed. Numbers don't lie. What is the stick you are using to measure development?
This is all they have ever drafted :
2016 4 37 135 Dak Prescott Cowboys QB
1984u 3 21 77 John Bond Browns QB
1979 10 5 253 Dave Marler Bills QB
1971 11 23 283 Joe Reed 49ers QB
1962 18 2 240 Charlie Furlow Rams QB
So they have developed...1 whole QB since 84. Thats 32 damned years. LSU has had 3 QBs drafted under miles, one being the #1 damned pick
Dont even get me started on Fitzgerald. Harris has comparable numbers throwing. Better completion percentage and the same TD:Int ratio. Harris is amazing though right?
And McPhee is what again? Awesome? Put down the pipe bro. Most tackles the dude ever had was 53 and that was last year. 9 games this year, 16 total tackles. That's a whole 1.7 tackles per game... as a linebacker. I will give you McKinney and Wright. They are good, but McPhee. Stop dude. Just staaaaaaaaahp.
As for jumping down anyone's throat. Im just debating. But lets get something straight right out of the gate. I will talk to whoever I want whenever I want , okay kid? Don't ever pretend to tell me shite like you are someone other than a kid that posts on forums.
This is all they have ever drafted :
2016 4 37 135 Dak Prescott Cowboys QB
1984u 3 21 77 John Bond Browns QB
1979 10 5 253 Dave Marler Bills QB
1971 11 23 283 Joe Reed 49ers QB
1962 18 2 240 Charlie Furlow Rams QB
So they have developed...1 whole QB since 84. Thats 32 damned years. LSU has had 3 QBs drafted under miles, one being the #1 damned pick
Dont even get me started on Fitzgerald. Harris has comparable numbers throwing. Better completion percentage and the same TD:Int ratio. Harris is amazing though right? And McPhee is what again? Awesome? Put down the pipe bro. Most tackles the dude ever had was 53 and that was last year. 9 games this year, 16 total tackles. That's a whole 1.7 tackles per game... as a linebacker. I will give you McKinney and Wright. They are good, but McPhee. Stop dude. Just staaaaaaaaahp.
As for jumping down anyone's throat. Im just debating. But lets get something straight right out of the gate. I will talk to whoever I want whenever I want , okay kid? Don't ever pretend to tell me shite like you are someone other than a kid that posts on forums.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:41 pm to BDJ
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about man. No disrespect but you are just in way over your head. Pernell McPhee is a pass rushing outside linebacker. So he's not going to get as many tackles as a 4-3 OLB. That's elementary stuff bub. McPhee is a very good 3-4 OLB. That's an absolute fact. This year he's been injured and in and out of the lineup. Oh and Kiki Mingo don't even play for the Browns anymore genius 
And why in the frick do you act like the only way a college qb is developed is if he is drafted? Dan Mullen doesn't get the same type of talent that LSU does. But, Dan Mullen is known as one of the BEST quarterback developers IN THE COUNTRY. Nick Fitzgerald had a great year considering the circumstances. Dak was developed from a 3 star player that LSU wanted as a tight end to the quarterback of the number 1 seed in the NFC. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about buddy.
And why in the frick do you act like the only way a college qb is developed is if he is drafted? Dan Mullen doesn't get the same type of talent that LSU does. But, Dan Mullen is known as one of the BEST quarterback developers IN THE COUNTRY. Nick Fitzgerald had a great year considering the circumstances. Dak was developed from a 3 star player that LSU wanted as a tight end to the quarterback of the number 1 seed in the NFC. You have no idea what the hell you're talking about buddy.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:51 pm to I-H8-BAMA
Tackles are tackles. All he can manage is 1.7 per game? Thats it? Honestly. 1.7 per game? Stats don't lie.
2011 - 16 games , 23 tackles, 6 sacks
2012 - 12 games , 21 tackles, 1.5 sacks
2013 - 16 games , 21 tackles, 2 sacks
2014 - 16 games, 27 tackles, 7.5 sacks
2015 - 14 games , 53 tackles, 6 sacks
2016 - 9 games , 16 tackles, 4 sacks
83 Games, 140 Tackles, 27 Sacks
So for this amazing, dumpster tier Linebacker, he averages 1.9 Tackles Per Game, .3 Sacks Per Game. You wot m8?
What other measuring stick is used for "development" of Quarterbacks? Please, do tell. One of the best "QB developers" in the country developed one guy into the NFL thriving behind one of the greatest offensive lines in the history of the NFL and one that couldn't even make a CFL team. He did make the practice squad though!
Please try to spin 1.9 Tackles per game , .3 sacks per game. Want to see an awesome stat line for a LB?
28 Games Played, 238 Tackles, 6 Sacks. Thats 8.5 Tackles Per game, .2 Sacks per game. And he has done it in 75% faster.
Your measuring stick is broken.
2011 - 16 games , 23 tackles, 6 sacks
2012 - 12 games , 21 tackles, 1.5 sacks
2013 - 16 games , 21 tackles, 2 sacks
2014 - 16 games, 27 tackles, 7.5 sacks
2015 - 14 games , 53 tackles, 6 sacks
2016 - 9 games , 16 tackles, 4 sacks
83 Games, 140 Tackles, 27 Sacks
So for this amazing, dumpster tier Linebacker, he averages 1.9 Tackles Per Game, .3 Sacks Per Game. You wot m8?
What other measuring stick is used for "development" of Quarterbacks? Please, do tell. One of the best "QB developers" in the country developed one guy into the NFL thriving behind one of the greatest offensive lines in the history of the NFL and one that couldn't even make a CFL team. He did make the practice squad though!
Please try to spin 1.9 Tackles per game , .3 sacks per game. Want to see an awesome stat line for a LB?
28 Games Played, 238 Tackles, 6 Sacks. Thats 8.5 Tackles Per game, .2 Sacks per game. And he has done it in 75% faster.
Your measuring stick is broken.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:57 pm to BDJ
I can tell that you just don't watch that much football and you just don't know that much about it so I'm gonna stop right here. Pernell McPhee is a good pass rushing outside linebacker. Not everybody can be Von Miller. But to act like McPhee is some scrub is just WRONG. You're just wrong dude
And the other point you're trying to make for yourself is that Dan Mullen can't develop quarterbacks
OKAY JUNIOR.
And the other point you're trying to make for yourself is that Dan Mullen can't develop quarterbacks
OKAY JUNIOR.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:02 pm to BDJ
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What other measuring stick is used for "development" of Quarterbacks? Please, do tell. One of the best "QB developers" in the country developed one guy into the NFL thriving behind one of the greatest offensive lines in the history of the NFL and one that couldn't even make a CFL team. He did make the practice squad though!
Dude you are a fool. Dan Mullen coached:
Alex Smith (#1 pick, still in the league)
Tim Tebow (perhaps the greatest college football qb of all time)
Dak Prescott (took MS St to a BCS bowl and #1 ranking)
Nick Fitzgerald (who will be one of the better returning qbs in the SEC)
Not one of these guys were prototypical qb's and he's won at a pretty decent clip with all of them, besides Fitzgerald.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:02 pm to I-H8-BAMA
1.9 tackles per game, .3 sacks per game. He. Is. Trash. A post ago, he was "awesome", now he is "good". Change that tune cupcake. Id stop too if I looked like a complete remedial.
All you can say is "uh dur he is gud, dur". Please tell me how 1.9 tackles, .3 sacks per game is good at all. Pass rushing or not. You need to learn to use words like role player or serviceable or adequate. You need to strike words like awesome and good from your damned vocabulary.
All you can say is "uh dur he is gud, dur". Please tell me how 1.9 tackles, .3 sacks per game is good at all. Pass rushing or not. You need to learn to use words like role player or serviceable or adequate. You need to strike words like awesome and good from your damned vocabulary.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:08 pm to UAtide11
You remind me of a Cowboys fan. Im not worried about what you did 20 damned years ago. The statement was made that Miss State develops QBs really well, not Dan Mullen. Everything points to the contrary. Miss St. and Dan Mullen since 2009, have produced 1 QB drafted. Its the only measurement that counts when you are talking about developed. Period.
You brought up Tebow? He was a freak athlete in college, just like Manziel. There was no development other than the god gifted athletic ability. Dan Mullen isn't development their ability to run. They were born with that.
I already talked about Fitzgerald. His numbers are comparable to Barndon harris AND Danny Etling. The biggest difference is rushing yards due to offensive schemes.
Dobbs, Eason, White, Hurts, all better. I still stand by my point. Miss St. One QB drafted in the NFL the last 32 years.
You brought up Tebow? He was a freak athlete in college, just like Manziel. There was no development other than the god gifted athletic ability. Dan Mullen isn't development their ability to run. They were born with that.
I already talked about Fitzgerald. His numbers are comparable to Barndon harris AND Danny Etling. The biggest difference is rushing yards due to offensive schemes.
Dobbs, Eason, White, Hurts, all better. I still stand by my point. Miss St. One QB drafted in the NFL the last 32 years.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:12 pm to BDJ
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The statement was made that Miss State develops QBs really well. Everything points to the contrary.
The statement that was made was that Dan Mullen develops qbs. And I showed you what he's done. Feel free to show me a couple of college coaches that have done more, I'll wait.
I mean, he won 9 games with Chris fricking Relf.
Good players go to all different kinds of schools for all different kinds of reasons. Get over it and get over yourself. You only come off looking like a complete pussy by picking on Ms State.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:18 pm to UAtide11
You really need to go back to the original post I responded to. Ill do it for you. I Know you gumps have bad reading comprehension skills... unless its your sister's tat on her back.
"If there are two positions state develops its LB and QB. Mullen gets all the credit for QB. No idea how they do so well at LB when they've have 5 different DC's in Mullen's tenure"
Nothing was mentioned about Tebow or anyone else. We are talking about a tenure at Miss St. 8 Years, one overrated QB that is playing behind one of the best offensive lines of all time, with the 27th easiest schedule in the NFL. They won't make it to the Superbowl. You can book that.
They don't develop either position well at all. A lot of people throw words around and don't really understand context at all. One of those words happen to be develop.
Take Linebackers for example. Out of the last 7 that could still be playing now, only 3 are in the league getting any significant playing time. One of those guys, McPhee, barely contributed to his team.
"If there are two positions state develops its LB and QB. Mullen gets all the credit for QB. No idea how they do so well at LB when they've have 5 different DC's in Mullen's tenure"
Nothing was mentioned about Tebow or anyone else. We are talking about a tenure at Miss St. 8 Years, one overrated QB that is playing behind one of the best offensive lines of all time, with the 27th easiest schedule in the NFL. They won't make it to the Superbowl. You can book that.
They don't develop either position well at all. A lot of people throw words around and don't really understand context at all. One of those words happen to be develop.
Take Linebackers for example. Out of the last 7 that could still be playing now, only 3 are in the league getting any significant playing time. One of those guys, McPhee, barely contributed to his team.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:23 pm to UAtide11
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You only come off looking like a complete pussy by picking on Ms State.
Yeah this is why I decided to respond to him. He's saying some unbelievably dumb shite and really thinks he's right. Like Pernell McPhee is a garbage tier linebacker? WHAT?
Dan Mullen can't develop quarterbacks? WHAAAAT?
Just stop guy, "staaaaaaaahp".
Posted on 1/5/17 at 3:24 pm to BDJ
I'll do you one better dumbass.
Are you meaning to tell me that when you say "One of the best..." you were really talking about a school and not a person?
Look dude, you're a shitty fan. That's fine. But don't be surprised when people call you out for it.
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I-H8-BAMA
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Dan Mullen is known as one of the BEST quarterback developers IN THE COUNTRY.
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BDJ
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re: 4 * LB Willie Gay decommits from OMPosted on 1/5/17 at 2:51 pm to I-H8-BAMA
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What other measuring stick is used for "development" of Quarterbacks? Please, do tell. One of the best "QB developers" in the country developed one guy into the NFL thriving behind one of the greatest offensive lines in the history of the NFL and one that couldn't even make a CFL team. He did make the practice squad though!
Are you meaning to tell me that when you say "One of the best..." you were really talking about a school and not a person?
Look dude, you're a shitty fan. That's fine. But don't be surprised when people call you out for it.
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