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re: 247 releases new Top247 tomorrow.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:01 pm to TheRookbird
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:01 pm to TheRookbird
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It wouldn't be recruiting if we didn't shake up the rankings based on a few backyard football games played in gym shorts.
Exactly my thoughts
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Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:02 pm to chattabama
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However, it is pretty hard to judge players outside of these camps because of the discrepancy in the competition.
Yes, but 7on7 isn't really football.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:06 pm to chattabama
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I can see the logic of ranking positions against each other as a way to show which position group is stronger.
For example, Leonard Fournette being the top running back in last year's class was a big accomplishment, as there were a ton of talented backs in that class. This running back class leaves me with the meh. Damien Harris, top running back in this class, would be 4th or 5th at best last year.
You would still have the star ranking system. IF the top 5 RBs are 5 * and only the top ranked QB is a 5* it is pretty obvious which is the more top heavy position in that cycle.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:08 pm to SoGaFan
Tonight was the first time I have really looked at 247's rankings. How in the frick is George Campbell not a 5*? That is ridiculous.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:10 pm to gatordmb89
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How in the frick is George Campbell not a 5*? That is ridiculous.
I think he's a 5* DB, but not at receiver. He doesn't catch the ball well enough to be in that discussion, imo
Absolutely elite athlete, though
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:11 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:17 pm to Crowknowsbest
He is a 5* ATH. Unlike Torrance Gibson. Why I put 0 stock in rankings.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:18 pm to TheRookbird
It's a opportunity for evaluators to get
Legit measurables,40 time's,verts,ect..
OL VS DL in pads
QB's/WR's perform a huge variety of Passes/Routes,ect..
Why are some of you against using these competitions as way's to measure a prospects potential? The system has allot of flaws but are 247,Rivals,ect.. supposed to just go off of highlight reels,stats from the player or his HS coach and the UA/Army bowl to form a list?
A camp where they have full access to watch players tested in a variety of ways at their position shouldn't be factored in to the rankings they make?
Legit measurables,40 time's,verts,ect..
OL VS DL in pads
QB's/WR's perform a huge variety of Passes/Routes,ect..
Why are some of you against using these competitions as way's to measure a prospects potential? The system has allot of flaws but are 247,Rivals,ect.. supposed to just go off of highlight reels,stats from the player or his HS coach and the UA/Army bowl to form a list?
A camp where they have full access to watch players tested in a variety of ways at their position shouldn't be factored in to the rankings they make?
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:22 pm to gatordmb89
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He is a 5* ATH.
agreed
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Unlike Torrance Gibson.
also agreed
247's rankings this year are questionable at best. I think sometimes they overcomplicate things and are often stubborn to make corrections for guys they initially went out on a limb on (good and bad)
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:24 pm to tbonebrah
Of course they should, but that doesn't make the rankings anymore legit. It just makes the top high school athletes spend more money running around to all these camps trying to make a name for themselves. Besides all these prospects are visiting schools where all these measurements are being taken anyway.
Also, last time I checked, the one thing these camps don't measure if how good the GPA/test score are. Doesn't matter how athletically talented you are if you can't get into school. Some of these kids would be far better off in summer school.
Also, last time I checked, the one thing these camps don't measure if how good the GPA/test score are. Doesn't matter how athletically talented you are if you can't get into school. Some of these kids would be far better off in summer school.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:25 pm to tbonebrah
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A camp where they have full access to watch players tested in a variety of ways at their position shouldn't be factored in to the rankings they make?
They should be factored in when relevant, but they should be very secondary. These camps have too big of an impact.
7on7, 1 on 1s etc. are missing a ton of variables that really limit their usefulness.
Examples:
1) If a receiver doesn't have chemistry with his randomly selected QB, he's not going to be very productive. Should his ranking drop?
2) Will a receiver make a play in traffic?
3) Is this DB willing to come up and hit?
4) How does a QB deal with pressure?
5) How does a DL pursue? What's his motor like?
6) Can this kid run in pads? (there's a difference)
There's no replacement for watching a kid play live, even against lower competition.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:25 pm to SoGaFan
I want Blake Barnett to become a 5* so I can give TideSaint a hard time.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:27 pm to GratefulTiger
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All BAMA commits/leans/offers will rise as always.
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Most LSU commits will "get passed up".
I swear to God some of you are such defeatist sore losers. Woeeee is me. You can't stand the fact that Alabama is kicking arse on the recruiting trail so you spew this bull shite about some sort of "bama bias" agenda.
And I'm sure you have spewed this drivel for the last few years. Pop in the tape Boudreaux. Alabama has handed lsu their arse on a platter in 2 of the last 3 meetings on the gridiron. The results would suggest that there is no bama bias at all, but who am I to ruin your good time.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:31 pm to SoGaFan
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The fact that they are constantly tinkering with these rankings Just tells you how bullshite they pretty much are in the end. It would be one thing if they just put out positional rankings, but ranking all positions together is just stupid.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:34 pm to TTsTowel
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I want Blake Barnett to become a 5* so I can give TideSaint a hard time.
That was among the more interesting times on our Megathread. I want him to be ranked higher than Town so I can say that Saban processed Town to make room for Barnett 
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:35 pm to HailToTheChiz
Someone explain to me why they shouldn't "tinker" after an event like this? They are in a controlled setting with the best players in the country on the field together. You can get a much better feel for a guys talent when he's going up against a high level prospect in shells than you can we he's going up against a guy that's severely outmatched in full pads.
It's not like some guys are in shorts and some guys are in pads. I realize 7 on 7 doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a pretty damn good indicator when the skill guys are going up against other elite skill guys. Everyone at the event is playing in the same setting.
It's not like some guys are in shorts and some guys are in pads. I realize 7 on 7 doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a pretty damn good indicator when the skill guys are going up against other elite skill guys. Everyone at the event is playing in the same setting.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:38 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
quote:You would have to ask a select few who thought Sean White should've remained a 3* while Blake Barnett should be bumped to a 5*.
Someone explain to me why they shouldn't "tinker" after an event like this? They are in a controlled setting with the best players in the country on the field together. You can get a much better feel for a guys talent when he's going up against a high level prospect in shells than you can we he's going up against a guy that's severely outmatched in full pads.
It's not like some guys are in shorts and some guys are in pads. I realize 7 on 7 doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a pretty damn good indicator when the skill guys are going up against other elite skill guys. Everyone at the event is playing in the same setting.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 10:41 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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It's not like some guys are in shorts and some guys are in pads.
Actually that's exactly what it's like. Guys from some states aren't allowed to play in pads in the summer.
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I realize 7 on 7 doesn't tell the whole story, but it's a pretty damn good indicator
I would argue that it's not. Some guys obviously stand out athletically, but those guys will stand out anyway on tape and live in games. Productivity is basically a function of chemistry or the QBs potentially superior talent, which is pretty much luck of the draw, for the offensive guys.
I think it's useful for really under the radar guys, to see how they compare athletically, but that's really it.
This post was edited on 7/15/14 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:45 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Shannon Terry/ big market bias. You're the idiot.
Posted on 7/15/14 at 11:56 pm to GratefulTiger
What makes the rankings ridiculous is when they raise a guys numerical rating after seeing him perform in person and then drop him again in the same summer despite him not attending any other camps and no new film on him coming out because it's in between seasons. That kind of stuff is what makes me not put a whole lot of stock in to recruiting services.
Posted on 7/16/14 at 12:00 am to chattabama
I didn't realize people would get so bitchy about a website rearranging their rankings. Interesting.
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