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re: Your List of SEC College football Coaches from Best to Worst.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:06 pm to Hawgeye
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:06 pm to Hawgeye
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Thing is, UTenn is not competing woth a flip
That is a problem and its an even bigger problem with coaches saying Dooley is gone after this year. Our recruiting class this year could have turned out like Wisconsin's but instead we only lost 2 players on NSD day, so I was very happy with the outcome.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:07 pm to UTVols2618
A few more years of this and that will no longer be the case.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:07 pm to LOYALBAMA
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6. Dan Mullen
7. Gene Chizik
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:08 pm to Roll Damn Tide
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12. Hugh Freeze
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3. Bobby Petrino
4. Steve Spurrier
Switch these two.
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:09 pm to busey
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A few more years of this and that will no longer be the case.
UT has the facilities, resources, and fan base to compete at a high level. UT recruits itself. As long as former UT players keep kicking arse in the NFL, we will be able to sell the program to them.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:15 pm to UTVols2618
oh, i am the guy who doesn't what i am talking about? i ain't the guy preforming felatio on a coach who's crowning achievement was almost beating LSU once. i have explained myself, if you can;t get that into your thick skull then i am sad to say you are just incorrigible. honestly, i think every non UT guy here hopes you get your wish and the guy stays indefinitely
as for crowell, he isn't nearly on the level of your boys. Crowell got suspended for smoking and that's it. there is no documented story about Crowell saying shite about Richt or leading a movement to quit. and he is a little dweeby freshman, luckily my coach, as dumb as he is, has a system in place and a leadership structure that prevents an entire team bailing on him. go ahead, say longevity, i say it is merely competence. richt had locker room issues and he had a huge purge, see the last offseason doofus.
also, who cares if you have 19 starting seniors when they are either garbage or have no heart/desire to even try for UT
as for crowell, he isn't nearly on the level of your boys. Crowell got suspended for smoking and that's it. there is no documented story about Crowell saying shite about Richt or leading a movement to quit. and he is a little dweeby freshman, luckily my coach, as dumb as he is, has a system in place and a leadership structure that prevents an entire team bailing on him. go ahead, say longevity, i say it is merely competence. richt had locker room issues and he had a huge purge, see the last offseason doofus.
also, who cares if you have 19 starting seniors when they are either garbage or have no heart/desire to even try for UT
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:31 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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oh, i am the guy who doesn't what i am talking about? i ain't the guy preforming felatio on a coach who's crowning achievement was almost beating LSU once. i have explained myself, if you can;t get that into your thick skull then i am sad to say you are just incorrigible. honestly, i think every non UT guy here hopes you get your wish and the guy stays indefinitely
as for crowell, he isn't nearly on the level of your boys. Crowell got suspended for smoking and that's it. there is no documented story about Crowell saying shite about Richt or leading a movement to quit. and he is a little dweeby freshman, luckily my coach, as dumb as he is, has a system in place and a leadership structure that prevents an entire team bailing on him. go ahead, say longevity, i say it is merely competence. richt had locker room issues and he had a huge purge, see the last offseason doofus.
also, who cares if you have 19 starting seniors when they are either garbage or have no heart/desire to even try for UT
Chill out there. I never said you don't know what you are talking about. No need for hostility. I just said that if you think its up to the coaches to make the players play hard then you have never played any sports.
Haha I remember reading how Crowell was lazy during the spring practices and acting like he was god's gift to football. Jay Rome and other players got upset with the way he was acting.
There was no movement at all for players to quit. I don't know where you got that. It was obviously a divided locker room between Kiffin/Fulmer players and Dooley players, but there was not any type of movement to quit.
Stop acting like Richt is a saint, no coach is. Sander Commings is only missing two games for getting arrested for domestic violence. Dooley would only suspend him for 2 games too. Its not just Richt or Dooley, its every coach in the SEC. Their jobs are on the line, and they will do everything they can to keep the best players on the field.
Lol they are obviously not garbage, and a lot of them did try. They couldn't bounce back once they lost Hunter and losing Bray was the final blow. The defense consistently tried every game, even though the offense didnt help them out at all.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:40 pm to UTVols2618
crowell was sat down several times by older players and coaches, he was suspended a game and i think he got suspended 2 other times for less than a half but regardless he was actually disciplined. also, if you were experienced on this here site you'd know i wasn't here posturing for richt's canonization. he is a dip shite. but he is infinitely better than dooley.
and yea, you already admitted your team gave up, that what i meant by quit. and i am done arguing this, you saw my points, you chose to ignore them and i already stand by mine, really at this point the best i can tell is good luck and hope you're right for you're program's sake
and yea, you already admitted your team gave up, that what i meant by quit. and i am done arguing this, you saw my points, you chose to ignore them and i already stand by mine, really at this point the best i can tell is good luck and hope you're right for you're program's sake
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 6:58 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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crowell was sat down several times by older players and coaches, he was suspended a game and i think he got suspended 2 other times for less than a half but regardless he was actually disciplined. also, if you were experienced on this here site you'd know i wasn't here posturing for richt's canonization. he is a dip shite. but he is infinitely better than dooley.
and yea, you already admitted your team gave up, that what i meant by quit. and i am done arguing this, you saw my points, you chose to ignore them and i already stand by mine, really at this point the best i can tell is good luck and hope you're right for you're program's sake
The problem with UT is that the younger players are playing over the older players. Who is going to sit down Darick and tell him to straighten out?
The coaches constantly tried but the drop off between Darick and our next reciever was too huge to sit him. When Hunter was on the team, Darick worked his arse off. His development from freshmen year to sophomore year was amazing, but once Hunter went down, he knew that no one would realistically take his spot.
I know, UT gave up at the end of the year. It was obvious they did. Almost all of our players had another year left and some of them didn't want to practice in the cold for another month to play a bad team. It was quite obvious when Bray said that he needed a break from football.
You have made reasonable points and I respect them, but you have to look at from an unproven coaches stand point. How bad would UT's unreasonable, crazy fanbase act if he took out Rogers? He is there to win.
The cold hard truth is that Dooley is learning on the job. He is a young coach that has had to rebuilding projects. No one has seen what he can do with a complete team. Of course Richt is better than Dooley right now, but that doesn't mean Dooley can't reach that level. Every coach has growing pains. Saban had it at Michigan State, Miles had it a Okie State, and some at LSU too.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 7:00 pm to UTVols2618
and i agree with all of that but he has to be responsible, no matter how raw the deal. i think Richt has plateaued but i also can't see dooley making it that long. i think dooley is the stepping stone to your next guy because he just has so much against him and the fact his is so new to it. it's unfair but he has to pull some serious coaching out of his arse for this next few years
Posted on 2/19/12 at 7:04 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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and i agree with all of that but he has to be responsible, no matter how raw the deal. i think Richt has plateaued but i also can't see dooley making it that long. i think dooley is the stepping stone to your next guy because he just has so much against him and the fact his is so new to it. it's unfair but he has to pull some serious coaching out of his arse for this next few years
Yea and he has taken responsibility. The thing that hurts Dooley the most is that he isn't a players coach. For him to win the players over, he is going to have to win and if cant then still he did his job. The main reason he was hired was to bring in quality players and he has done that. If there is a new coach in the next 3 years, it will be a much more desirable job.
If CP is as good as advertised, then Dooley has the personnel to make a splash in the SEC East. The only extremely hard games will be UGA and Bama. UT should have a fair chance to win all the others. Thats not saying UT will go 11-2 because they won't, but it is not as unrealistic as last year when pretty much every sec team was a certain lost.
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 7:41 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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crowell was sat down several times by older players and coaches, he was suspended a game and i think he got suspended 2 other times for less than a half but regardless he was actually disciplined. also, if you were experienced on this here site you'd know i wasn't here posturing for richt's canonization. he is a dip shite.
Don't believe him, UTVols2618!!! DGD *loves* him some Mark Richt!
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:10 pm to beatbammer
I'm with my fellow Vol fan. However, I'm not ready to make judgement on Dooley yet due to a lot of points he has made on depth and injuries. Give Dooley this year and see what he does. If he doesn't when more than 8, he could/should be gone. The schedule is in favor for 8 wins.
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Posted on 2/19/12 at 8:11 pm to BamaNixon
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Or perhaps you think winning in November is the same as winning in January. Great ones come through when it counts. Miles is good. Saban is great.
True, but it's also easy to look back & say the game in November wasn't that important. At the time it was played, it was the biggest game ever played in Tuscaloosa and the biggest regular season game in SEC history. Everyone thought it was do-or-die, and the coaches prepared and coached the game that way.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:04 pm to UTVols2618
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Spurrier had complete control of the SEC with UF and he did something most thought was impossible which was turn USCe into SEC east champs. Ask how well that went for Lou Holtz. Spurrier is easily the second best behind Saban.
I think Spurrier was great. As far a turning USC into EAST champs, didnt they lose 4 games that year. He ha benefitted from UT and somewhat UF being down.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 9:10 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Yeah I think they ended up 8-6 that year. Spurrier is a has been, people just rate him 3rd ahead of Petrino because of personal reasons. BP is a better coach now, which is what we're talking about.
I realize Spurrier was tits in the 90s and I'm not discounting that. But if most people really had to choose a head coach for their team as of right now, it would be Petrino.
I realize Spurrier was tits in the 90s and I'm not discounting that. But if most people really had to choose a head coach for their team as of right now, it would be Petrino.
Posted on 2/19/12 at 11:21 pm to Roll Damn Tide
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1A. Nick Saban
1B. Les Miles
3. Bobby Petrino
4. Steve Spurrier
5. Gene Chizik
6. Mark Richt
7. Dan Mullen
8. James Franklin
9. Will muschamp
10. Gary Pinkel
11. Kevin Sumlin
12. Hugh Freeze
13. Derek Dooley
14. Joker Phillips
I'd flip Chizik and Richt, Richt has proven he can win at a high level for nearly all of his career, we'll have to wait and see what Chizik can do with a full roster and decent experience now. That said Dooley I could see flipping him with Phillips, how UT made two big screw ups in coaching hires back to back is amazing.
Posted on 2/20/12 at 12:58 am to rangers911
Dan Mullen isn't even close to Richt and Chizik
Chizik won this year despite Ted Rood and Malzahn. Malzahn leaving could be the best thing for our O
Chizik won this year despite Ted Rood and Malzahn. Malzahn leaving could be the best thing for our O
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