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Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:37 am to Jon Ham
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:37 am to Jon Ham
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One team out of 18 seasons was able to do it and that was a team coached by Nick Saban. As I said, Nick Saban isn't walking back through that door.
Because Miles hasn't had good seasons? I guess it was all Saban again back in 2011
I realize you're upset because we're poised to have a great season, and there's lots of useless statistics you can make up to make yourself feel better...but fact is this team should win a lot of games. Teams get blown out by teams and beat them the next all the time, you new to football?
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:37 am to HottyToddy7
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But the fact that everyone is forgetting is for everyone on that list that improved there are twice that many that didn't.
please provide context
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If LF7 gets a high ankle sprain (I hope he doesn't but let's say he does) and misses a month, do you have Confidence that Harris can win games?
If Chad Kelly has a high ankle sprain and misses a month, do you have confidence Ole Miss can win any games?
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:38 am to HottyToddy7
Well, this summer BH really lit it up at the Manning Passing Academy, he couldn't even hit a golf cart. And this is the NOLA sports writer doing this.
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:39 am to HottyToddy7
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Let me ask you this. If LF7 gets a high ankle sprain (I hope he doesn't but let's say he does) and misses a month, do you have Confidence that Harris can win games?
Maybe but I know Guice is a very capable back up running back.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:39 am to HottyToddy7
Thread by an Ole Miss fan? Yep didn't read.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:41 am to HottyToddy7
Alabama will always be the favorite in the west until proven otherwise.
Les' problem is that he is determined to prove he can play smash mouthed football and just line up and run the ball down Alabama's throat and that is never going to happen. A Saban defense is made to defend exactly what Les tries to do and his stubbornness is cost him more games against Alabama than his talent ever has. I would even venture to say that several of those LSU teams that we beat in the past had more talent than Alabama had but it wasn't utilized correctly.
Also, I have never understood why they can't seem to develop a QB down there. He has had plenty of talent and not only have they not gotten better they actually seem to get worse. I just don't understand him some time.
Les' problem is that he is determined to prove he can play smash mouthed football and just line up and run the ball down Alabama's throat and that is never going to happen. A Saban defense is made to defend exactly what Les tries to do and his stubbornness is cost him more games against Alabama than his talent ever has. I would even venture to say that several of those LSU teams that we beat in the past had more talent than Alabama had but it wasn't utilized correctly.
Also, I have never understood why they can't seem to develop a QB down there. He has had plenty of talent and not only have they not gotten better they actually seem to get worse. I just don't understand him some time.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:42 am to Barneyrb
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Well, this summer BH really lit it up at the Manning Passing Academy, he couldn't even hit a golf cart. And this is the NOLA sports writer doing this.
FYI, Jordan Jefferson was a Manning Camp all-star 2 years in a row. LSU doesn't need Harris to be Andrew Luck. They just need him to move the chains on some 3rd and 6s.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:42 am to lsufball19
he was responding to a poster that was referenceing Harris last year opposed to this year.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:43 am to HottyToddy7
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But the fact that everyone is forgetting is for everyone on that list that improved there are twice that many that didn't.
That is absolute horseshite. You really think there are more QB's that started multiple years that got worse their second year as the full time starter than there are QB's that improved their second year as full time starter?
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Let me ask you this. If LF7 gets a high ankle sprain (I hope he doesn't but let's say he does) and misses a month, do you have Confidence that Harris can win games?
A. Derrius Guice time
B. Yes, I do think Harris has the experience, talent, and talent around him to win us a game if he has to. Last year he was a true sophomore starting for the first time in the SEC and had a sports hernia the second half of the year. He will be better and everyone around him will be better.
I don't know what our record will be, but I will ban bet the shite out of you right now that Brandon Harris improves significantly this year.
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And the most relevant stat would be to look at how Les Miles QBs have done from year 1 full time starting to year 2 full time starting. The answer is that they've all improved a lot.
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:44 am to HottyToddy7
I guarantee at least half the idiots on this board (including you) can't leave the house without wearing a helmet
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:44 am to elit4ce05
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he was responding to a poster that was referenceing Harris last year opposed to this year.
Ah, the guy who said I was posting stats from 2nd and 3rd year and was clearly wrong.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:45 am to MightyYat
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They just need him to move the chains on some 3rd and 6s.
The problem is that they are usually 3rd and 18 when they play Alabama.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:46 am to BamaScoop
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Alabama will always be the favorite in the west until proven otherwise.
As they should be.
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Les' problem is that he is determined to prove he can play smash mouthed football and just line up and run the ball down Alabama's throat and that is never going to happen. A Saban defense is made to defend exactly what Les tries to do and his stubbornness is cost him more games against Alabama than his talent ever has. I would even venture to say that several of those LSU teams that we beat in the past had more talent than Alabama had but it wasn't utilized correctly.
Nailed it. Les hasn't decided that he needs to coach in 2016 just yet. He's still in the 70s and 80s.
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Also, I have never understood why they can't seem to develop a QB down there. He has had plenty of talent and not only have they not gotten better they actually seem to get worse. I just don't understand him some time.
We've had shitty QB coaches once Jimbo left. However, Mettenberger absolutely got better from 2012-2013. Also throw in the fact that we still refuse to recruit a QB that will run what Les wants to run. We get these dual threat guys constantly then try to turn them into under center play-action pocket guys. It's really mind boggling.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:46 am to TheCaterpillar
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A. Derrius Guice time
I liked watching him play last year. That kid is for real. He will breakout this year in my opinion.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:50 am to HottyToddy7
You are absolutely right. If they want to win the west then Harris is gonna have to get better. A lot better.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:51 am to MightyYat
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We've had shitty QB coaches once Jimbo left. However, Mettenberger absolutely got better from 2012-2013. Also throw in the fact that we still refuse to recruit a QB that will run what Les wants to run. We get these dual threat guys constantly then try to turn them into under center play-action pocket guys. It's really mind boggling.
I agree with that. I can;t remember the kids name that was recruited as a QB I think and he never even got a shot. When he committed to LSU he was on TV and the radio trying to recruit other players. He had a ton of personality and seemed like a great positive influence on the team and every time he touched the ball it seemed like he would go for 50 or 60 yards and he would play about 4 plays a game. I would sit there and watch the TV and just think WTF is he thinking not having that kid in the game.
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Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:51 am to TheCaterpillar
mettenberger 1st year 2011 8-11 72.7%
Russell 1st year 2004 73-144 50.7%
Russell 1st year 2004 73-144 50.7%
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:55 am to HottyToddy7
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You can't on one had say you have 18 starters back and you have the most talent in the league and on the other hand say Harris wasn't the problem, he didn't get any help.
Don't know anyone saying that. When you look at LF in the backfield I would say he got a lot of help.
I do think the experience level of the QB and the receivers were not high but the talent level was certainly high. Tony Ball was in his first year at LSU and has already exited stage left. We will see what D. Craig can get out of them this year...
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:56 am to geauxtigers33
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First half of Florida and Mississippi State games. One touchdown vs Bama as he is getting drilled.
From what I witnessed, he was proficient at heaving balls down field to allow the speedsters to catch up with it. Other than that, he was out of his element. LSU must see vast improvement at the QB spot to realize any of the hype to date.
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:56 am to BamaScoop
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I agree with that. I can;t remember the kids name that was recruited as a QB I think and he never even got a shot. When he committed to LSU he was on TV and the radio trying to recruit other players. He had a ton of personality and seemed like a great positive influence on the team and every time he touched the ball it seemed like he would go for 50 or 60 yards and he would play about 4 plays a game. I would sit there and watch the TV and just think WTF is he thinking not having that kid in the game.
His name is Russell Shepard, and you exaggerated his production, but he switched to WR in year 1, where he should have been all along and where he plays now in the NFL. He wasn't in the game because, at the time, he had bad hands, ran poor routes, and wasn't a great blocker. He always excelled in special teams, which is where most of his action has been in the league. He was great with the ball in his hands, and LSU tried multiple different ways to get him the ball. The problem was, when he was in the game, everyone knew what was coming because he was ineffective doing anything else on offense unless it was a handoff from the QB or the wildcat formation.
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