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re: Would Florida Block Florida State From SEC?
Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:56 am to LSUwag
Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:56 am to LSUwag
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Would Florida Block Florida State From SEC? Florida's worst nightmare in FSU being in the SEC. They would do everything possible to prevent them from joining. They wouldn't increase the TV market. There really is no point in bringing them into the conference. The SEC needs to be geographically larger. I could see a team from Oklahoma and North Carolina being considered. The conference expansions are all about the lucrative TV contracts.
Not true. If they bring money bring them on. I would like to see them play us after a brutal SEC schedule, like we have to, instead of cruising by a bunch of cupcakes.
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Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:56 am to NaturalBeam
You're talking in circles. IF money is the ultimate Goal, and obviously it is, it's unfortunate because athletics weren't intended to be about $$$, but competition and pride among institutions. We've all seen what $$$ has done to the pro game, and now the Div.-1 teams. If it's a business that you want to watch, I'd suggest that you follow the stock market! While there, put a few scheckels down on it and see what that gets you.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 8:59 am to NaturalBeam
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Why is this unfortunate?
Because it SHOULD be all about entertaining the fans.
After all, what the hell is the point of college football if not entertainment?
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:00 am to GABlueDog
Wouldn't matter. SEC won't ever invite FSU. It'd be a waste of a spot. Already in Florida market. Has nothing to do with being scared and everything to do with money and FSU wouldn't bring it.
This post was edited on 11/21/12 at 9:01 am
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:02 am to NoMoreShortcuts
How about Va Tech, Clemson, and Fl State in and Mizzou out.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:03 am to Katy Tiger
If your goal is to lower revenues, that's a great plan...
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:03 am to coachcrisp
I appreciate your soapbox talk but it is about money now and that's not changing.
Please move to Orange Beach.
Please move to Orange Beach.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:04 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Entertainment doesn't occur without profit. Do you enjoy LSU's 100,000 seat stadium? Or enjoy the gameday festivities that run into the millions every Saturday? What about being able to watch your favorite team, and nearly all other games on your television? You probably like watching ESPN devote millions to analyzing games every week and having website upon website to lose yourself in over college football. All the LSU gear you probably own - I'll bet you love that too.
Now, do you think this occurs just as a natural existence, or do you think the empire of college football was built by folks wanting to make money? Profit in college football is a great thing - you love it, even if you don't know it yet.
Now, do you think this occurs just as a natural existence, or do you think the empire of college football was built by folks wanting to make money? Profit in college football is a great thing - you love it, even if you don't know it yet.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:05 am to roadGator
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I appreciate your soapbox talk but it is about money now and that's not changing.
Please move to Orange Beach.
I really think this guy is trolling, this situation has been explained numerous times. F$U had their chance in 90. Bowden said he would rather live a coward than die a hero. Screw them. They are broke and bring nothing(TV) to the table.
This post was edited on 11/21/12 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:09 am to coachcrisp
quote:Really? Do you think college football was more entertaining in the 1930s or today?
it's unfortunate because athletics weren't intended to be about $$$, but competition and pride among institutions. We've all seen what $$$ has done to the pro game, and now the Div.-1 teams
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:11 am to LSUwag
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They wouldn't increase the TV market. There really is no point in bringing them into the conference. The SEC needs to be geographically larger. I could see a team from Oklahoma and North Carolina being considered.
The conference expansions are all about the lucrative TV contracts.
I understand what you are saying and I agree. However, allow me to explore a counterpoint...
Florida is the third largest state in the country behind only CA and Texas and is rapidly growing. I would assume there is a large audience of Florida State fans in the state that does not watch Gator football. The Florida State audience watches Florida State football. Does it make sense that there is still a sizable audience that does not usually watch SEC football that can be captured by bringing their school into the conference? Moreover, you cement your hold over the third largest state in the country by having the two largest state school followings under your umbrella.
No conclusions, I'm just following a train of thought here. People say a school like OK State would be a better fit for the SEC because it expands the conference footprint and tv market. Still, I find it difficult to believe that a larger audience would be brought into the market by adding an OK State over a Florida State. Is is preferable to expand your audience to new territory (Oklahoma) even though that audience is smaller than the audience you could add in old territory (Florida)?
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:11 am to NaturalBeam
He does seem old so maybe he answers yes to your question.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:13 am to GABlueDog
I don't fully understand the TV deals but the aTm guys seem to have studied it pretty well and they say that it's not about individual tv sets. It's about entire markets.
That's why adding FSU doesn't make sense financially.
If it were about TV sets your point would make sense in my eyes and I could get on board with adding FSU.
That's why adding FSU doesn't make sense financially.
If it were about TV sets your point would make sense in my eyes and I could get on board with adding FSU.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:22 am to roadGator
Yea I'm not pushing for or against Florida State in the SEC. It sounds like many Gator fans have the same attitude regarding the issue...take 'em or leave 'em.
So regarding conference expansion, the prevailing rule of thought is that growing the pie revolves around adding territory rather than numbers?
So regarding conference expansion, the prevailing rule of thought is that growing the pie revolves around adding territory rather than numbers?
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:28 am to GABlueDog
That's how I understand it. The aTm guys maintain that adding TX wouldn't bring more money either.
That's hard for me to grasp but if it's about markets and not individual viewers then I guess it's right.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want to help those insufferable bastards after they turned us down the last time.
That's hard for me to grasp but if it's about markets and not individual viewers then I guess it's right.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want to help those insufferable bastards after they turned us down the last time.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:31 am to NaturalBeam
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Entertainment doesn't occur without profit.
false premise.
I didn't say there shouldn't be profit, I said it shouldn't be ALL ABOUT profit, it should be about entertainmant first, and then profit from that - or maybe equally entertainment AND profit.
As far as the rest of your post, I enjoyed Tiger Stadium just as much when it held 82,000. The only game day festivity I enjoy is tailgating, TV revenue has NEVER paid for my tailgating. I don't have cable so I don't watch ESPN. The only "LSU gear" I own is a purple LSU Facilities Services t-shirt that was given to me. And again, just because someone says something shouldn't be primary, doesn't mean they think it shouldn't exist - secondary is fine.
Beam, you have to stop assuming that you're talking to children, I started LSU in 1983.
Also stop jumping to invalid conclusions.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:33 am to GABlueDog
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Would Florida Block Florida State From SEC?
Yes
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:35 am to CockInYourEar
Holy shite most of you are delusional.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:39 am to roadGator
If that is the conference expansion strategery then you want to capture the largest territory contiguous to your current territory.
So, if you follow that model, then the best choices out there for the SEC would be Virginia Tech and North Carolina/North Carolina State. Those are the largest territories next to the current SEC footprint.
So, if you follow that model, then the best choices out there for the SEC would be Virginia Tech and North Carolina/North Carolina State. Those are the largest territories next to the current SEC footprint.
Posted on 11/21/12 at 9:42 am to CockInYourEar
Florida can't block FSU unilaterally.
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