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re: Will the SEC continue to win the big one once the playoffs arrive?(*2013)
Posted on 3/14/14 at 2:08 pm to joeytiger
Posted on 3/14/14 at 2:08 pm to joeytiger
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when the SEC continues to push their shite in.
Such eloquence! Such grace! Such a pleasure reading the Rant when I come across jewels like this!
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Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:32 pm to mockabee
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Such eloquence! Such grace! Such a pleasure reading the Rant when I come across jewels like this!
I enjoyed it myself.
Posted on 3/14/14 at 8:59 pm to IAmReality
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The SEC streak came about not only because the SEC was the best conference but also a lot of good luck involved as well (
yeah, it isn't like every team who won a NC was undefeated. There were some very good bounces most years that helped provide the opportunity.
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I would also stop dreaming about getting multiple teams in.
The SEC will get 1 team as a virtual lock every year, however it will be a very rare occasion for 2 teams from the same conference to make it, any conference.
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the committee hasn't come out and outright said it can't happen but everything that they have said is consistent with more opportunity for different conferences (esp conference championships being emphasized)
It is hard to argue their logic if you view the conferences as mini brackets. If you win your bracket you get to advance to the final four. If you don't you screwed it up, not the other teams that did what they set out to do with their schedules.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:39 am to molsusports
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It is hard to argue their logic if you view the conferences as mini brackets. If you win your bracket you get to advance to the final four. If you don't you screwed it up, not the other teams that did what they set out to do with their schedules.
Not hard to argue at all.
If your conference has the best 4 teams in the country in it every year and only one gets a chance at the final four each time. I call bullshite.
I know its hard to comprehend for the rest of the country, but the south is just better at football.
In basketball the ACC and big east always get more teams in the tourny, because the strength of schedule. It should be the same in football.
Using the bcs to determine the top 4 teams is only fair. It keeps the politics out of it.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:43 am to LukeSidewalker
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Will the SEC continue to win the big one once the playoffs arrive?(*2013)
No
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Or will a playoff system really be the great equalizer that most outside the south hope for?
Yes
That being said the reason is the corruption of the new system. SEC will never get 2 teams (50%) of the playoff as the committee is stacked to favor the B1G and PAC and marginalize the SEC, ACC, and B12. This means going forward the SEC will be reduced to 25% of the picture instead of half (50%) or all (100%) : see also Alabama vs LSU a few years ago.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:47 am to Cheese Grits
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: see also Alabama vs LSU a few years ago.
But LSU would have won a 4 team tourny that year, if they were the only SEC team in it.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:50 am to LukeSidewalker
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But LSU would have won a 4 team tourny that year, if they were the only SEC team in it.
Maybe, and maybe not. The real wildcard of this new system is prep time and in the past you had close to a month to get ready. Now it will be greatly reduced which increases the probability of an upset by a team outside the SEC.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:52 am to SpartyGator
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Georgia won't be one of those teams in the playoffs, i know that
I think Georgia benefits more in a playoff system than the BSCS system.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:55 am to LukeSidewalker
Using the final AP rankings (after the conference championship games are played), these would be the playoff matchups.
2013
#1 Florida State v. #4 Michigan State
#2 Auburn v. #3 Alabama (POPKERN)
2012
#1 Notre Dame v. #4 Oregon
#2 Alabama v. #3 Florida
2011
#1 LSU v. #4 Stanford
#2 Alabama v. #3 Oklahoma State
2010
#1 Auburn v. #4 Stanford
#2 Oregon v. #3 TCU
2009
#1 Alabama v. #4 TCU
#2 Texas v. #3 Cincinnati
2008
#1 Oklahoma v. #4 Alabama
#2 Florida v. #3 Texas
2007
#1 Ohio State v. #4 Oklahoma
#2 LSU v. #3 Virginia Tech
2006
#1 Ohio State v. #4 LSU
#2 Florida v. #3 Michigan
12/32 spots in the SEC
2013
#1 Florida State v. #4 Michigan State
#2 Auburn v. #3 Alabama (POPKERN)
2012
#1 Notre Dame v. #4 Oregon
#2 Alabama v. #3 Florida
2011
#1 LSU v. #4 Stanford
#2 Alabama v. #3 Oklahoma State
2010
#1 Auburn v. #4 Stanford
#2 Oregon v. #3 TCU
2009
#1 Alabama v. #4 TCU
#2 Texas v. #3 Cincinnati
2008
#1 Oklahoma v. #4 Alabama
#2 Florida v. #3 Texas
2007
#1 Ohio State v. #4 Oklahoma
#2 LSU v. #3 Virginia Tech
2006
#1 Ohio State v. #4 LSU
#2 Florida v. #3 Michigan
12/32 spots in the SEC
Posted on 3/15/14 at 11:59 am to Tornado Alley
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Using the final AP rankings (after the conference championship games are played), these would be the playoff matchups.
Not bad.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:01 pm to Cheese Grits
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Maybe, and maybe not. The real wildcard of this new system is prep time and in the past you had close to a month to get ready. Now it will be greatly reduced which increases the probability of an upset by a team outside the SEC.
Cute, but no. Do you remember how good that LSU team was? They murdered every type of team possible. Except for the team built like them.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:17 pm to Cheese Grits
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quote:But LSU would have won a 4 team tourny that year, if they were the only SEC team in it. Maybe, and maybe not. The real wildcard of this new system is prep time and in the past you had close to a month to get ready. Now it will be greatly reduced which increases the probability of an upset by a team outside the SEC.
Teams like Auburn, Oregon, A&M and OSU will have a big advantage because of their systems. It will be hard to prep for those teams in three weeks for semis and even harder with one week in the finals. I said it before, the SEC had a great advantage with the 6 week layoff due to their Defenses.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:34 pm to Tornado Alley
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Using the final AP rankings (after the conference championship games are played), these would be the playoff matchups.
"Past returns is no indication of future results"
In the future the SEC will not get 2 teams in the 4 team playoff because a committee dominated by B1G and PAC leans will not allow it. The future playoff will look like this pretty much every year:
1 SEC team
1 PAC team or ND
1 B1G team or ND
1 ACC or B12 team
Auburn and Alabama would both not be in the final four in 2013 even if they should have been. You are using a pool to defend a point that will now be made by a committee that has bias.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 12:38 pm to Cheese Grits
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"Past returns is no indication of future results" In the future the SEC will not get 2 teams in the 4 team playoff because a committee dominated by B1G and PAC leans will not allow it. The future playoff will look like this pretty much every year: 1 SEC team 1 PAC team or ND 1 B1G team or ND 1 ACC or B12 team Auburn and Alabama would both not be in the final four in 2013 even if they should have been. You are using a pool to defend a point that will now be made by a committee that has bias.
The SEC Champ will be in the playoff. The odds of a second team in it are slim.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:07 pm to OldPete
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but I think the selection committee will be much more political than advertised
It will be, that is the point.
The product is not a quality championship that fans can feel is legitimate. The product is three games with incredible ratings.
To get max ratings, you need teams from all of the country competing. The committee exists to maximize the value of the product.
The LSU-Bama game didn't force change because other programs were jelly. It forced change because the ratings for that game were shite and there was a real threat college football could become a regional sport.
In fact I could see a future where the SEC shrinks as teams look to conferences from other regions to gain access to the playoffs because the south will have a ceiling for exposure.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:39 pm to cardboardboxer
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The product is not a quality championship that fans can feel is legitimate. The product is three games with incredible ratings.
Yup.
B1G may not be winning at the top but they have the most eyeballs and that means B1G will have a team in the playoff every year. The B1G will probably produce more revenue than the SEC TV deal because they have such massive population numbers and they don't have to share states / markets with others.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:44 pm to Cheese Grits
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B1G may not be winning at the top but they have the most eyeballs
Dude, you serious? The SEC, far and away, has had the highest TV ratings for years. Don't be a dense jackass.
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 1:46 pm to LukeSidewalker
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It is hard to argue their logic if you view the conferences as mini brackets. If you win your bracket you get to advance to the final four. If you don't you screwed it up, not the other teams that did what they set out to do with their schedules.
Not hard to argue at all.
If your conference has the best 4 teams in the country in it every year and only one gets a chance at the final four each time
Every single team in the conference had a chance to win the conference and advance.
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In basketball the ACC and big east always get more teams in the tourny, because the strength of schedule. It should be the same in football.
Using the bcs to determine the top 4 teams is only fair. It keeps the politics out of it.
A 60 odd team field is not comparable to a 4 team field. Were basketball reduced to a four team field they would have to restrict the number of entrants from a single conference to one because doing differently just doesn't make any sense. The best teams within a conference need to play meaningful games leading up to the postseason - doing differently devalues the regular season (which is a big problem for ncaa basketball and presently not a problem for ncaa football).
using the bcs for entry into a playoff field (when it includes human opinion polls) is a common proposal but it is far from apolitical. Big name teams, teams which began the near ranked higher, and teams from perceived power conferences obviously have major advantages over teams with lesser fan followings or teams which began the year ranked lower in the human opinion polls.
If you were interested in being apolitical I suppose you could advocate for using the computer polls to determine the top four - but that doesn't appeal to the people who benefit from the present system.
Posted on 3/15/14 at 2:40 pm to Tornado Alley
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The SEC, far and away, has had the highest TV ratings for years.
Apples = regular season ratings
Oranges = post season ratings (BCS games, as that will be the draw pool for playoff type games)
Pretty sure the highest rated game was USC vs TX and neither is in the SEC. You are quoting a SB Nation site, here is the BCS's site and pretty sure the 21.7 in 05-06 set the bar. LINK
Top 20 all time : B1G on Bold, SEC underlined, and PAC in italic
1 21.7 2006 Texas vs Southern California
2 17.8 2001 Florida State vs Oklahoma
3 17.5 2000 Florida State vs Virginia Tech
4 17.4 2007 Florida vs Ohio State
4 17.4 2008 LSU vs Ohio State
6 17.2 2003 Ohio State vs Miami
6 17.2 1999 Florida State vs Tennessee
6 17.2 2010 Texas vs Alabama
9 15.8 2009 Florida vs Oklahoma
10 14.5 2004 LSU vs Oklahoma
11 14.4 2004 Michigan vs Southern California
12 14.1 2000 Wisconsin vs Stanford
13 14.0 2001 Washington vs Purdue
14 13.9 2007 Southern California vs Michigan
14 13.9 2002 Miami vs Nebraska
16 13.7 2005 Southern California vs Oklahoma
17 13.3 1999 Wisconsin vs UCLA
18 13.2 2010 Ohio State vs Oregon
19 12.9 2001 Miami vs Florida
19 12.9 2006 Ohio State vs Notre Dame
Cross index that with Top 10 states by population. B1G states in Bold
1 California, PAC monopoly : 6 of 40 or 15%
2 Texas, B12 and SEC split state : 2 of 40 or 5%
3 New York : 0 of 40 or 0%
4 Florida, ACC and SEC split state : 9 of 40 or 22.5%
5 Illinois, B1G monopoly : 0 of 40 or 0%
6 Pennsylvania, B1G monopoly : 0 of 40 or 0%
7 Ohio, B1G monopoly : 5 of 40 or 12.5%
8 Georgia, ACC and SEC split state : 0 of 40 or 0%
9 Michigan, B1G monopoly : 1 of 40 or 2.5%
10 North Carolina, ACC monopoly : 0 of 40 or 0%
Posted on 3/15/14 at 3:35 pm to molsusports
You sound like a Louisville fan. Don't be a Louisville fan.
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