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re: Why was Spurrier unable to bring the air raid offense he had at Florida to USCe?
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:30 am to Honest Tune
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:30 am to Honest Tune
And because 2001 UT was better than them that year.
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Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:37 am to Honest Tune
The game has changed.....
Spurrier used to make a livign off defenses that were set up to stop the run mostly. The SEC was a very run 1st conference back then. Spurrier would find mismatches all-the-time. Spurrier forced teams to put more cover guys on the field-of-play and he'd find the weakest link to pick on. Today, defenses have the players & schemes to stop teams with 5 great receivers and RB's that can catch. Back then, not so much! Many weak links to find and Spurrier was eating at a buffet back then.
It's nto so much what Spurrier has done, it's that the game (Defenses) has caught up to him. Plus, this one of the reasons FSU and Bama gave Spurrier the most trouble back then. Both FSU and Bama had the athletes, on defense, to cover those extra receivers & RB's. Having slow LB's and bad CB's, on defense, made you very vulnerable with 1990's Spurrier.
Spurrier used to make a livign off defenses that were set up to stop the run mostly. The SEC was a very run 1st conference back then. Spurrier would find mismatches all-the-time. Spurrier forced teams to put more cover guys on the field-of-play and he'd find the weakest link to pick on. Today, defenses have the players & schemes to stop teams with 5 great receivers and RB's that can catch. Back then, not so much! Many weak links to find and Spurrier was eating at a buffet back then.
It's nto so much what Spurrier has done, it's that the game (Defenses) has caught up to him. Plus, this one of the reasons FSU and Bama gave Spurrier the most trouble back then. Both FSU and Bama had the athletes, on defense, to cover those extra receivers & RB's. Having slow LB's and bad CB's, on defense, made you very vulnerable with 1990's Spurrier.
This post was edited on 10/3/15 at 6:40 am
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:39 am to psk_Vol
Yea that was a loaded team as well.
Frank Solich would have probably lasted a few more seasons at Nebraska if we hadn't beaten UT in the SEC championship game. Instead Miami went in hard, deep and dry on Nebraska and he got canned because of it.
Florida had a lot of pre-season hype that year, but couldn't bring it home. I think Spurrier saw that the rest of the league was gaining strength, and he soon bailed.
Frank Solich would have probably lasted a few more seasons at Nebraska if we hadn't beaten UT in the SEC championship game. Instead Miami went in hard, deep and dry on Nebraska and he got canned because of it.
Florida had a lot of pre-season hype that year, but couldn't bring it home. I think Spurrier saw that the rest of the league was gaining strength, and he soon bailed.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 6:42 am to SquirrelyBama
Yep. His system relied on receivers just being able to get to a spot. The qbs would float it in there. When strong corners and safeties put muscle to their receivers it completely disrupted their scheme. And he wasn't THAT committed to the run, despite having NFL talent at the position.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 8:16 am to Honest Tune
Spurrier never ran an air raid offense. His team's always had balance at or about 50/50 run/pass.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 8:35 am to GeauxToBed
That may be true. Have a link?
If they passed 50% of the time, then I'll say this...they got a shite ton of bang for their buck...call it air raid, fun and gun, it really doesn't matter. They slung the rock and slung it well, often times at a humbling accord on our secondary.
If they passed 50% of the time, then I'll say this...they got a shite ton of bang for their buck...call it air raid, fun and gun, it really doesn't matter. They slung the rock and slung it well, often times at a humbling accord on our secondary.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 8:41 am to Honest Tune
QB Dylan Thompson led the conference in passing yards just last year.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 8:44 am to Honest Tune
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At this juncture, do you think Spurrier is leaving SC in better shape than he found it?
Definitely
Posted on 10/3/15 at 8:49 am to GeauxToBed
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Spurrier never ran an air raid offense. His team's always had balance at or about 50/50 run/pass.
How the hell did it take getting to the second page of this shite post before someone said this. Spurrier ran a balanced attack.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 8:52 am to Honest Tune
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Have a link?
Nope. I was a Spurrier fan growing up though and I have a memory.
Gator fans will confirm.
Eta: Looks like one already has.
This post was edited on 10/3/15 at 8:53 am
Posted on 10/3/15 at 9:13 am to Honest Tune
Spurrier never ran the "air raid."
Edit: Do you even know what the air raid is? It's what Mike Leach runs. It is NOTHING at all like the Fun 'N Gun (Spurrier's UF offense).
Spurrier ran a decently balanced attack (I would say 60/40 run/pass). His run game included a lot of draw plays and he typically passed to setup the run (which is why his draw plays had success). He usually had top notch running backs like Eric Rhett and Fred Taylor who made a big impact. It wasn't uncommon for his teams to have 200 yards rushing.
What made his offense unique at the time was he threw lots of deep balls. He wasn't the only guy having success throwing, but he threw it deep successfully more than almost anyone.
Edit: Do you even know what the air raid is? It's what Mike Leach runs. It is NOTHING at all like the Fun 'N Gun (Spurrier's UF offense).
Spurrier ran a decently balanced attack (I would say 60/40 run/pass). His run game included a lot of draw plays and he typically passed to setup the run (which is why his draw plays had success). He usually had top notch running backs like Eric Rhett and Fred Taylor who made a big impact. It wasn't uncommon for his teams to have 200 yards rushing.
What made his offense unique at the time was he threw lots of deep balls. He wasn't the only guy having success throwing, but he threw it deep successfully more than almost anyone.
This post was edited on 10/3/15 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/3/15 at 9:19 am to AUstar
Spurrier is no different than Saban.... it's a lot easier to be a brilliant coach when you have superior talent. Spurrier doesn't have the talent so he's average ... Saban didn't win any national championships at MSU and looked average at LSU until he got recruits in..
Posted on 10/3/15 at 9:21 am to Honest Tune
He said a long time ago in a press conference it was b/c he couldn't get the same caliber linemen.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 9:24 am to Honest Tune
Spurrier didn't run an Air Raid for one and defenses have adjusted to pass heavy offenses . It isn't the 80s where I formation and veer is run exclusively
Posted on 10/3/15 at 9:24 am to AUstar
Danny Wuerffel won a Heisman because he tossed it all over the yard. I really dont give a shite what name it is. I guess you fellas missed it where I said the Gators always had good rb's in their great years.
Guess what dude? Everyone watched the Gators, they were always on. I trust myself on this one because I've been complimentary of just about everything they did when he was there. Fix yourself a bloody and enjoy your Saturday.
Guess what dude? Everyone watched the Gators, they were always on. I trust myself on this one because I've been complimentary of just about everything they did when he was there. Fix yourself a bloody and enjoy your Saturday.
Posted on 10/3/15 at 9:26 am to Honest Tune
Because south Carolina started the war yet contributed very little.
Posted on 10/4/15 at 10:38 am to Honest Tune
1. Spurrier is a great coach, but he's not a recruiter. Gator fans know this. Gamecock fans have finally figured this out. We've reeled in our occasional elite talent (Gilmore, Lattimore, Jeffery, Clowney) but even then, most of that was homegrown. At UF, when you have great recruiters and it being Florida, the school recruits itself. At SC, you need a bonafide recruiter.
2. Like others have said, Spurrier's offense is no longer innovative. Defenses have long surpassed it and know what to expect. It's still effective to some degree (when he has the athletes) but the fun n' gun of the 90's is no longer the fun n' gun when you don't have the athletes because you refuse to recruit at a high enough level.
3. SC is not the talent hotbed that you think it is. Look at the roster, almost half of our kids come from Georgia. Even during our good years when we were bringing in top 15ish classes, SC was competing really hard with schools like Clemson, UGA and the occasional NC school for our state's elite talent. Between 2007 to about 2012 SC was in the middle of this 5-6 year trend where the state was producing more elite talent than average but now the talent level is really low and SC (a school that has never really had much luck recruiting in other states not named Georgia) is suffering, whereas Clemson (a school that recruits extremely well in and out of state) was able to supplement their lack of in state talent with out of state studs. The good news is that the talent level in SC is creeping up again.. the bad news is that Clemson is a recruiting juggernaut right now and that program has a great trajectory while SC is no doubt about to undergo a big coaching change ( I wouldn't be surprised if the entire staff turns over). Along with Clemson, SC also has to fight off UGA (who has a history of coming into SC and cherry picking what little elite talent we produce).
I think a coaching change is inevitable after this season. Going 7-6 and now possibly 3-9/4-8 after three seasons of 11 wins will not go down well with SC fans and even Spurrier has said that he will leave once things start getting bad. Well that day is here. The good news for SC is that Spurrier has shown that you can win lots of games here, people easily forget that if you take away a few hiccups (2011 Auburn/2012 1-point loss to LSU/2013 Tennessee) or games that SC should've won the Gamecocks would have 3 divisional titles instead of 1. All of that to say that you can have big seasons here. SC also has great facilities now and has the money to improve them even more (especially with a donations boost that typically accompanies the excitement of a new staff). We have plans for a football operations facility down by our new IPF and adding suites/revamping Williams Brice on the way.
The importance of SC's next hire can't be understated. Spurrier will leave us in good hands. Our next hire will have to be a guy that can build off of that momentum and propel us forward. Our next coach will have a better foundation than when Spurrier arrived.
2. Like others have said, Spurrier's offense is no longer innovative. Defenses have long surpassed it and know what to expect. It's still effective to some degree (when he has the athletes) but the fun n' gun of the 90's is no longer the fun n' gun when you don't have the athletes because you refuse to recruit at a high enough level.
3. SC is not the talent hotbed that you think it is. Look at the roster, almost half of our kids come from Georgia. Even during our good years when we were bringing in top 15ish classes, SC was competing really hard with schools like Clemson, UGA and the occasional NC school for our state's elite talent. Between 2007 to about 2012 SC was in the middle of this 5-6 year trend where the state was producing more elite talent than average but now the talent level is really low and SC (a school that has never really had much luck recruiting in other states not named Georgia) is suffering, whereas Clemson (a school that recruits extremely well in and out of state) was able to supplement their lack of in state talent with out of state studs. The good news is that the talent level in SC is creeping up again.. the bad news is that Clemson is a recruiting juggernaut right now and that program has a great trajectory while SC is no doubt about to undergo a big coaching change ( I wouldn't be surprised if the entire staff turns over). Along with Clemson, SC also has to fight off UGA (who has a history of coming into SC and cherry picking what little elite talent we produce).
I think a coaching change is inevitable after this season. Going 7-6 and now possibly 3-9/4-8 after three seasons of 11 wins will not go down well with SC fans and even Spurrier has said that he will leave once things start getting bad. Well that day is here. The good news for SC is that Spurrier has shown that you can win lots of games here, people easily forget that if you take away a few hiccups (2011 Auburn/2012 1-point loss to LSU/2013 Tennessee) or games that SC should've won the Gamecocks would have 3 divisional titles instead of 1. All of that to say that you can have big seasons here. SC also has great facilities now and has the money to improve them even more (especially with a donations boost that typically accompanies the excitement of a new staff). We have plans for a football operations facility down by our new IPF and adding suites/revamping Williams Brice on the way.
The importance of SC's next hire can't be understated. Spurrier will leave us in good hands. Our next hire will have to be a guy that can build off of that momentum and propel us forward. Our next coach will have a better foundation than when Spurrier arrived.
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