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re: Why can’t the SEC attract top coaches anymore?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:50 pm to BhamBengal
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:50 pm to BhamBengal
Because we've created unrealistic expectations. Same reason I think Mullen will stay in Starkville for a while. It means a lot to know you have job security and he has that at State. Tennesse, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Georgia, Ole Miss, and soon to be A&M have fired coaches who won consistently, but it wasn't enough for the fan base. What kind of message does that send? When you fire a coach who wins consistently (Fulmer, Miles, Meyer -stressed out the job bc unrealistic expectations, Chizik, Richt, Cutcliffe, Sumlin) it takes years for the program to recover. Tennesse is still suffering from firing fulmer and it's been what 10 years now? Only coaches willing to risk an extremely high turnover rate take the jobs now. Other conferences pay top dollar now too. We've priced ourselves out of the market with our expectations.
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 6:12 pm to CarolinaGamecock99
Saban, no doubt about it... guy is just too good. Hell he scared urban Meyer out of the sec.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 6:13 pm to MSDeltaDog
The first contract at any P5 school offers set-for-life money. Here's the conservative math. Get a four year deal at $3 million/season.
After agent fees and taxes you're left with $5 million. It's oversimplified, but BP dividends are ~5%. That leaves you with over $200k/year after taxes without ever touching the $5 million.
TV money means even the coach at Boston College doesn't ever have to move up.
After agent fees and taxes you're left with $5 million. It's oversimplified, but BP dividends are ~5%. That leaves you with over $200k/year after taxes without ever touching the $5 million.
TV money means even the coach at Boston College doesn't ever have to move up.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 6:15 pm to MSDeltaDog
I think it's the recruiting.
You have to be a non-stop 24/7 recruiter in the SEC now.
Not sure if it is the same in other conferences.
And yeah, Saban did more than anyone else to bring in this new era.
Plus there is another thing. I pull for South Carolina. Our recruiting situation is great - compared to the rest of the nation.
But we usually finish top 30 in recruiting. Often in the top twenty, and sometimes top 15 (well if that was a "thing").
But we almost always finish 7 to 12 or something in recruting in the SEC.
Why would anyone want to deal with any of that, if the money isn't much worse at Colorado?
You have to be a non-stop 24/7 recruiter in the SEC now.
Not sure if it is the same in other conferences.
And yeah, Saban did more than anyone else to bring in this new era.
Plus there is another thing. I pull for South Carolina. Our recruiting situation is great - compared to the rest of the nation.
But we usually finish top 30 in recruiting. Often in the top twenty, and sometimes top 15 (well if that was a "thing").
But we almost always finish 7 to 12 or something in recruting in the SEC.
Why would anyone want to deal with any of that, if the money isn't much worse at Colorado?
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 6:16 pm to xenythx
Two words: Nick Saban. Coaches know they will be second fiddle at best until he retires. Once he retires, you will see top coaches sprinting to take SEC jobs/money.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 6:27 pm to tider04
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Two words: Nick Saban. Coaches know they will be second fiddle at best until he retires
Hogwash.
There isn't a competitive coach alive who believes that.
Each one is convinced he has what it takes to win.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 7:30 pm to BhamBengal
Name the hot coaches that are taking jobs in other conferences who are living up to the title.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 7:40 pm to xenythx
This just in Meyer did not leave Hogtown for OSU. Saban beat him out of the SEC. The frikker resigned twice, finally went to OSU as they were desperate and rolled the dice that he had recovered mentally and emotionally.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 8:29 pm to kywildcatfanone
This is partly true, there is a lack of truly elite coaches in CFB. But therein lies the problem in the SEC. Everyone wants to hire the same 5-6 big name coaches, but all the big names are already making big bucks in a program that they are set in and are truly unlikely to leave.
No AD in the SEC (except Vandy) wants to give an up and comer a shot. Example? Jeff Brohm, WKU, was tearing it up.. no one in the SeC even interviewed him, so he took a crappy contract at Purdue and is making national level waves. Guess what? STILL no one in the SEC is paying attention to him, he has yet to be mentioned for a single hot-seat SEC job.
There are three or four more young coaches out there that haven't been considered either. This failure is on the ADs and so-called "search" committees.
Saban was not a household name when he was hired by LSU... it was looked at as a gamble at the time. Spurrier was not a high profile when he went from Duke to Florida. If I were an AD, I would go for a 40-something B coach for a low pay, high incentive limited buy out... roll the dice...contract. Brohm would have been a natural at LSU with the type of offense he runs. But...NOOOOOOOOOooooooooo... we had to have a down-de-bayou wild boy... geeeeezzzzz
No AD in the SEC (except Vandy) wants to give an up and comer a shot. Example? Jeff Brohm, WKU, was tearing it up.. no one in the SeC even interviewed him, so he took a crappy contract at Purdue and is making national level waves. Guess what? STILL no one in the SEC is paying attention to him, he has yet to be mentioned for a single hot-seat SEC job.
There are three or four more young coaches out there that haven't been considered either. This failure is on the ADs and so-called "search" committees.
Saban was not a household name when he was hired by LSU... it was looked at as a gamble at the time. Spurrier was not a high profile when he went from Duke to Florida. If I were an AD, I would go for a 40-something B coach for a low pay, high incentive limited buy out... roll the dice...contract. Brohm would have been a natural at LSU with the type of offense he runs. But...NOOOOOOOOOooooooooo... we had to have a down-de-bayou wild boy... geeeeezzzzz
Posted on 9/24/17 at 8:47 pm to BhamBengal
Please stop.Please name a "top coach" the SEC didnt not attract.Bert,Butch and Kirby we all in demand candidates and pretty much the first choice of all the schools that hired them.
If you're gonna name Jimbo,LSU was not a better job than FSU at the time.
If you're gonna name Jimbo,LSU was not a better job than FSU at the time.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 8:47 pm to BhamBengal
Nm
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 9:06 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:04 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Tennessee settle for Lyle and Dooley, Florida settled for Schmecklewang,
Timing was a bigger issue than anything else with Dooley hire and Butch was very much in demand when UT
made the hire.He was pretty much the best guy available.
You think Dabo was the 1st Choice for Clemson?How bout Phil when he became interm HC at UT?Once again,timing is always a huge issue when hiring a new
HC and sometimes works in your favor and other times not.
How was McElwain not the top choice for UF?He was probably the top HC candidate available at the time.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:41 pm to EKG
quote:Competitive, elite coaches like Meyer and Fisher may think they can win, but why make it harder? Making the playoff and winning the conference title is an almost guaranteed raise and extension. It's easier to do that when you're not in the same conference as Saban.
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Two words: Nick Saban. Coaches know they will be second fiddle at best until he retires
Hogwash.
There isn't a competitive coach alive who believes that.
Each one is convinced he has what it takes to win.
I would think the Pac 12 would be the top destination right now; Oregon is down and USC isn't back. That conference is wide open.
SEC might be a destination for a builder, Saban is getting old and nobody else is here. If you have a legit 5 yr plan, it might come to fruition about the same time he steps down
Posted on 9/24/17 at 9:47 pm to Scoob
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would think the Pac 12 would be the top destination right now; Oregon is down and USC isn't back. That conference is wide open
Washingtion is pretty damn good and has a solid HC right now.
I really don't think the schools out there are as committed as SEC,Big 10 and some ACC schools.
They certainly don't have the investment in facilities
and coaching personnel that the other conferences mentioned.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:42 pm to RD Dawg
As Clay Travis suggested, the best ROI, would be go all the outher schools to chip in $1.5 mil to get Sabah to leave.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 10:52 pm to BhamBengal
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Besides Alabama, the SEC has definitely dropped off the last few years and it’s all down to a new generation of sub par coaches. What gives??
Because SEC fanbases for the most part have overinflated egos and expectations..... heres looking at you "big 6" wieners. No coach is going to come in and eat spoonful's of bullshite from fanbases at lsu & uf while trying to build their program knowing they wont be there to see the fruits of their labor.
Also saban.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:04 pm to MosesRAB93
If Saban came into the SEC today (against himself), would he last long enough to be successful. It took Saban 4 years to be competitive at Mich. St. and at least one at Alabama who had some good talent. Spurrier is the only coach I can remember coming in being successful right away, but it took him a couple of years at Duke. At SC it took him over 5 years. Time needed depends a lot on what is available, talent wise, on day one. UGA has kirby now and he is looking pretty good, but Richt left a loaded cupboard. Some schools are not patient enough.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:30 pm to Mr.Sinister
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Because SEC fanbases for the most part have overinflated egos and expectations.
The conference went through a pretty hot stretch with new hires winning quickly in the 2000's.It was pretty freakin remarkable and I doubt I'll ever happen again.
LSU 2000 (Saban)Wins 10 games his 2nd Year and NC in 4
Georgia 2001 (Richt) SECC in 2nd Year
Florida (Urban) SECC and NC in 2nd Year
LSU (Miles) 11 wins 2nd year NC 3rd Year
Auburn (Chizik) SECC and NC 2nd Year
Alabama (Saban)SECC and NC 2nd Year
Auburn (Malzahn)SECC BCS runner up 1st Year
It makes for very spoiled fanbases that demand quick results
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:41 pm to RD Dawg
"LSU 2000 (Saban)Wins 10 games his 2nd Year and NC in 4
Georgia 2001 (Richt) SECC in 2nd Year
Florida (Urban) SECC and NC in 2nd Year
LSU (Miles) 11 wins 2nd year NC 3rd Year
Auburn (Chizik) SECC and NC 2nd Year
Alabama (Saban)SECC and NC 2nd Year
Auburn (Malzahn)SECC BCS runner up 1st Year"
One of these is not like the others, hmmmm who could it be?
Georgia 2001 (Richt) SECC in 2nd Year
Florida (Urban) SECC and NC in 2nd Year
LSU (Miles) 11 wins 2nd year NC 3rd Year
Auburn (Chizik) SECC and NC 2nd Year
Alabama (Saban)SECC and NC 2nd Year
Auburn (Malzahn)SECC BCS runner up 1st Year"
One of these is not like the others, hmmmm who could it be?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 11:42 pm to RD Dawg
Lots of reasons unrelated to Saban:
- Easier path to NC now that there are playoffs (win a couple big games and go undefeated)
- Less pressure in other conferences because football is less important than in the Southeast
- Easier to play the underdog
- SEC coaches are coaching for their jobs on a weekly basis. Not because of Saban but because we eat, sleep, and breathe CFB here
Other conferences there are only a handful of high-pressure jobs. Ohio State, Florida State, Texas, Michigan, USC. Even those places give their coaches a longer leash than the average SEC school. Well except for Texas, they think they should win every game, too.
- Easier path to NC now that there are playoffs (win a couple big games and go undefeated)
- Less pressure in other conferences because football is less important than in the Southeast
- Easier to play the underdog
- SEC coaches are coaching for their jobs on a weekly basis. Not because of Saban but because we eat, sleep, and breathe CFB here
Other conferences there are only a handful of high-pressure jobs. Ohio State, Florida State, Texas, Michigan, USC. Even those places give their coaches a longer leash than the average SEC school. Well except for Texas, they think they should win every game, too.
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