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Why can’t the SEC attract top coaches anymore?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:11 pm
Besides Alabama, the SEC has definitely dropped off the last few years and it’s all down to a new generation of sub par coaches. What gives??
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Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:12 pm to BhamBengal
Saban
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:12 pm to BhamBengal
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Saban
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:13 pm to BhamBengal
Why would a "top coach" not come because of Saban?
Top coaches are not afraid of other coaches.
Top coaches are not afraid of other coaches.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:14 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Top coaches are not afraid of other coaches.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:17 pm to BhamBengal
"The first rule of scientology is: you do not talk about scientologty"
-Dan Mullen
-Dan Mullen
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:17 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Why would a "top coach" not come because of Saban?
Top coaches are not afraid of other coaches.
Yeah, that's why so many "Top Coaches" are cumming in their pants at the thought of getting an SEC job right now
Tennessee settle for Lyle and Dooley, Florida settled for Schmecklewang, LSU settle for Yaw Yaw,etc, etc.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:19 pm to Vols&Shaft83
LSU hardly even attempted a coaching search though. When Joe Alleva says “I am the search” we knew we were fricked.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:19 pm to Crimson Wraith
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Top coaches are not afraid of other coaches.
Saban has built a machine that very few programs can compete with. LSU needs to hire Fleck and row the goddamn boat
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:22 pm to BhamBengal
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What gives?
would you leave a million plus dollar job to go somewhere that the head coach gets fired every 3 - 5 years?
I am talking about a "top prospect" - a guy that has a track record of winning
job insecurity may be part of it (before you laugh, look at how many ex coaches put down roots and still live in the college town where they got fired - family stability is important to some guys)
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:23 pm to BhamBengal
Sumlin was a hot commodity when we hired him.
Same with the guy from Alabama who almost destroyed our program.
Our problem hasn't been attracting a top coach, it's that the guys we've chosen haven't lived up to expectations.
With very few exceptions (go count how many coaches have actually won a NC over the past 25 years), that's the case most places.
The question should be: How long are fans and administrators at various SEC schools willing to stick with a guy?
Same with the guy from Alabama who almost destroyed our program.
Our problem hasn't been attracting a top coach, it's that the guys we've chosen haven't lived up to expectations.
With very few exceptions (go count how many coaches have actually won a NC over the past 25 years), that's the case most places.
The question should be: How long are fans and administrators at various SEC schools willing to stick with a guy?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:26 pm to EKG
A lot of the SEC gives their coaches every possible resource to be successful. You’d know that as an A&M fan. Sumlin has been given a whole lot to work with and look how that’s turned out.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:27 pm to BhamBengal
Because about 8 SEC teams have SEC and national titles as the ultimate expectation. When only one of those coaches is actually winning titles, it makes it impossible for the other 7 to live up to expectations. And even if you do occasionally win the SEC and go to a title game, you still get fired (see Miles, Chizik, and possibly Malzahn).
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:29 pm to BhamBengal
I got a theory and yes it involves Saban but it is NOT because they're afraid of him. It's because the bigger schools in the conference expect their coach to deliver a conference title and be in contention for a national title every single year. When the program is not at that level, but slightly below, fans go rabid and call for a good coach to be fired (see Miles, Richt,). Coaches do not want to go to a school that requires a major rebuild but by year 2 are expected to be at the national championship or else the pitchforks come out. Thus generally the only people schools here can get now are people that have nothing to lose, or the program is a major step up from their current job with more money involved. This means the coach is either a retread or someone that is an unknown commodity (see Lyle, Muschamp, Stoops, Shark fricker, Kirby, Mason). Bert is a bit of an outlier, probably left due to Alvarez not letting him do some things he wanted to do at Wiscy.
Anyway though, people aren't going to want to go to a program like LSU where they just fired one of the best coaches in their history for not having the team at national championship quality. Yes, it is fair for fan bases to expect titles but when you fire a coach that's winning 9 games a year and demand better, people will be afraid to work there.
Anyway though, people aren't going to want to go to a program like LSU where they just fired one of the best coaches in their history for not having the team at national championship quality. Yes, it is fair for fan bases to expect titles but when you fire a coach that's winning 9 games a year and demand better, people will be afraid to work there.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:32 pm to BhamBengal
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A lot of the SEC gives their coaches every possible resource to be successful. You’d know that as an A&M fan. Sumlin has been given a whole lot to work with and look how that’s turned out.
I don't disagree with you at all.
But coaches not meeting expectations is a different can of worms than SEC schools not being able to attract top coaches.
When each finally decides to pull the trigger on their current guy, I don't anticipate Tennessee, A&M, Arkansas, Auburn, and/or Florida will have any trouble reeling in the coach du jour.
Evaluating the talent levels and potentials of those coaches is the tough part.
This post was edited on 9/24/17 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:34 pm to BhamBengal
The past 2 times Auburn has had openings, Gary Patterson has wanted the job. So it's not attracting them. It's Jacobs only wanting to hire someone with prior Auburn ties.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:36 pm to BhamBengal
There aren't that many elite coaches anymore. Maybe 3 or 5?
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:37 pm to jvilletiger25
At auburn it’s one big fambly cuz. Maybe it is a bad crop of AD’s I just don’t know
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:41 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Yeah, that's why so many "Top Coaches" are cumming in their pants at the thought of getting an SEC job right now
Since expansion, what teams have made hires that were not considered already successful head coaches or star assistants ready to take the next step?
Let me help with the list.
1). LSU - Ed Orgeron
Everyone else with the possible exception of South Carolina with Muschamp has hired a coach that, on paper, looked like someone with the potential for success.
Posted on 9/24/17 at 5:46 pm to BhamBengal
There are only a handful of actually elite coaches and they're already at programs that it doesn't make sense to leave.
Sometimes you have to have great timing (Saban/Meyer at Florida) or a connection to the program (Harbaugh/Meyer at Ohio State) to get them to leave their current jobs.
Sumlin, Gus, Bert, and even McElwain on paper seemed like they were all solid hires, and they all had pretty good success early on. Tennessee is the only one that has made truly terrible hires on paper (well, and now LSU).
Sometimes you have to have great timing (Saban/Meyer at Florida) or a connection to the program (Harbaugh/Meyer at Ohio State) to get them to leave their current jobs.
Sumlin, Gus, Bert, and even McElwain on paper seemed like they were all solid hires, and they all had pretty good success early on. Tennessee is the only one that has made truly terrible hires on paper (well, and now LSU).
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