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re: Why can't Auburn maintain success.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:36 am to Irons Puppet
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:36 am to Irons Puppet
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UGA needs some of that flukiness:
Since 2000 AU has:
4 SECW Championships
3 SEC Championships
2 NC Game Appearances
1 BCSNC
What is UGA'S Resume during that period ?
Yea, I don't think I would trade Auburn's results since 2000 for Georgia's.
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:37 am to Irons Puppet
What's Auburn record against UGA in that period?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:39 am to Iron Lion
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What's Auburn record against UGA in that period?
And that proves what in reference to his post ?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:40 am to Irons Puppet
Nothing I was just curious
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:41 am to RandySavage
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RandySavage
"If" we're taking things away, why don't we each take 2 National Championships from the other and then see what each is left with...
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:43 am to GnashRebel
quote:I'm not sure there is real insight into AU. Some of them point to the Administration. Some to disadvantages of not being a State school like UGA/LSU/UA/FLA and therefore a tough sell to recruits.
Based on the title of the thread I was expecting insight.
Yet AU has talent, and their recruiting is better and more consistent than it's ever been. They have hauled in some top players in the last 8 years. Attrition has hurt some I'm sure, but is it any worse than their rivals attrition?
Makes no sense why they are dead last in the SEC in the last decade in the Big 3 sports?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:43 am to AuburnPanic40
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A competent AD might help with that. Jay Jacobs is in over his head
As a biased (frick auburn) observer with limited information, I think that's part of the reason. He just doesn't seem like a professional AD that is needed in today's sports environment. And I just took a quick look at his hires in the big 3 sports.
Football - gene chizik (fired after 4); Malzahn (worse SEC record after 3 years than chizik), but I personally think Malzahn is a good coach and will turn it around...hope I'm wrong. So for me, I think Jay is ok on football hiring.
BAsketball - Lebo (fired after 6), Barbee (fired after 4), Pearl (seemingly a good hire, although the NCAA problems of pearl make one wonder if he was untouchable by other programs and fell into auburns lap?
Baseball - slater (4), pawpawski(5), golloway(2)
I'm sure I'm missing a large part of it, but if I were an auburn fan, I would be worried by his track record in big 3 hires and the goofy way he comes across. But I'm biased as hell anyway, so what do I know.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:43 am to Iron Lion
During the years I listed 4-0. 
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:44 am to Irons Puppet
I thought you said since 2000
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:46 am to MrMojoRisin
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But I'm biased as hell anyway, so what do I know.
And his biggest problem isn't coaching hires and fires. It is the fact that he runs the department like a good ole boy network.
Anyone involved with Auburn at a certain level knows and hates this.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:47 am to MrMojoRisin
quote:I just fail to see how Jacobs is the problem. Someone mentioned the coaching contracts, buyouts, etc. Well, Jacobs can't make those decisions on his own - the BOT has to approve those hires and contracts.
As a biased (frick auburn) observer with limited information, I think that's part of the reason. He just doesn't seem like a professional AD that is needed in today's sports environment. And I just took a quick look at his hires in the big 3 sports.
Football - gene chizik (fired after 4); Malzahn (worse SEC record after 3 years than chizik), but I personally think Malzahn is a good coach and will turn it around...hope I'm wrong. So for me, I think Jay is ok on football hiring.
BAsketball - Lebo (fired after 6), Barbee (fired after 4), Pearl (seemingly a good hire, although the NCAA problems of pearl make one wonder if he was untouchable by other programs and fell into auburns lap?
Baseball - slater (4), pawpawski(5), golloway(2)
I'm sure I'm missing a large part of it, but if I were an auburn fan, I would be worried by his track record in big 3 hires and the goofy way he comes across. But I'm biased as hell anyway, so what do I know.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:47 am to MrMojoRisin
AU has finally opened up the pocketbook when hiring a coach. Any future hires will be the result of hiring the best coach available vs the best bargain coach available. The SECN is helping all programs in that sense.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:49 am to Irons Puppet
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The SECN is helping all programs in that sense.
Yep
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:52 am to RandySavage
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Ok well if we are allowed to eliminate two coaches from a program to help our arguments I'll take out Bear and Saban, since you know you would have a losing record against Auburn without those two coaches...
That wasn't my point.
It was that Auburn's dominance wasn't based so much on the time period as it was the difference in coaching quality. During those decades, when the staffs were about equal, the series was about equal. When wasn't or hasn't been (as your last post shows), the superior STAFF has dominated. IMO, that's another knock against the 'other programs have natural advantages' argument.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Is he forced to administer the department that way though? He answers to a president, and a BOT.
And his biggest problem isn't coaching hires and fires. It is the fact that he runs the department like a good ole boy network.
Anyone involved with Auburn at a certain level knows and hates this.
If the people involved with Auburn hate this so bad, then they are the one's that can change it, right?
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:54 am to RT1941
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Is he forced to administer the department that way though? He answers to a president, and a BOT.
If the people involved with Auburn hate this so bad, then they are the one's that can change it, right?
Sure, you can blame them too if you want I guess.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:03 pm to RT1941
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Is he forced to administer the department that way though? He answers to a president, and a BOT.
If the people involved with Auburn hate this so bad, then they are the one's that can change it, right?
Most of that is overblown by fan sites. Jacobs is the butt of anger by fans when things do not go well (saw the same issue with Mal), but his hires were well received (minus Chizik) initially. Again, the problem has been going after the next up and coming coach at a bargain price, especially in Basketball. That changed with the Pearl hire and will continue to trend that way due to the SECN. AU Athletic Dept is fat, but some of those people predate JJs hire. Time will take care of that issue, with or without JJ.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:04 pm to Irons Puppet
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Most of that is overblown by fan sites.
His handling of the ticket stuff is not overblown. It's a disaster.
You can decide whether that matters or not in terms of an AD keeping his job, but that whole mess is the kind of stuff that can't happen at a major University. Doesn't matter to me, I'm not the one getting screwed, but every one of my big donor Auburn family members is fvckin irrate at the buddy buddy nature of Jacobs and the department.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:06 pm to RandySavage
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Seriously? You think Auburn has the same amount of clout and exposure to a kid from Atlanta as UGA? Being the state school is a huge deal.
LSU, Florida, Bama, and UGA all have big advantages over Auburn. We are an ag school in the country with a subdued bar scene in a state that produces moderate talent trying to recruit young black men. That's not an easy sell.
What school in a comparable situation to Auburn (#2 school in a mediocre state) has had our success?
Here's one: Clemson.
Three losing seasons in the last 40 years while not having the benefit of a state name, sitting in a city 1/4 the size of Auburn, and in a state not known for being a talent hotbed.
As far as Auburn getting more exposure than UGA in Atlanta? I don't know if they get more, but their exposure there is huge. You can't swing a dead cat in Atlanta and not hit a car with an Auburn tag, bumper sticker, or some other memorabilia.
You're selling your program very, very short. Auburn's a great town and school. These 'natural advantages' you're using are nothing more than a crutch.
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Our recent yo-yo trend is puzzling for sure.
What Auburn was under Tuberville is probably right on par for what we should expect. Usually solid, almost always competitive, occasionally really good, occasionally pretty bad.
What Auburn did under Tuberville is right on par with what ANYONE should expect. He went to a bowl every season but his first and last. That's sustained success by most any measure. What's going on at Bama right now simply isn't the norm and nobody (including Bama) can reasonably expect to replicate it on a regular basis.
Posted on 2/24/16 at 12:07 pm to RandySavage
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Why did alabama play second fiddle to Auburn for 30 years
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