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Why Auburn should move to the East

Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:32 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:32 pm
Sure, it makes sense for Auburn...

Prior to the SEC's split into divisions, Auburn had played each of the teams in the East an average of 45 times... while they had played each of the teams in the West an average of just 33 times.

Despite being in the West now for 24 seasons...

Auburn has still played Florida more times than Alabama
Auburn has still played Tennessee more times than LSU
Auburn has still played Vanderbilt more times than Ole Miss

And then of course there is the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry. Auburn and Georgia have met on the football field an astonishing 119 times. That's far more any other SEC rivalry, and by far more than any major rivalry featuring one of the "Big 6":

Most played games in the SEC
** "Big 6" rivalries are in BOLD
119- Georgia vs. Auburn
112- Mississippi State vs. Ole Miss
111- Tennessee vs. Kentucky
110- Tennessee vs. Vanderbilt
108- LSU vs. Mississippi State
103- LSU vs. Ole Miss
98- Alabama vs. Mississippi State
97- Alabama vs. Tennessee
94- Georgia vs. Florida

Auburn makes more sense in the East. And that would still be true even if it wasn't proven on a map by looking at where Missouri is located.

But until recently, what division made the most sense for Auburn was in my opinion an issue for only Auburn to deal with. Every other program had been up to now essentially unaffected... unless you count Florida and Tennessee having to lose their annual rivalries with Auburn.

The main reason why the SEC needs Auburn in the East is because we are suffering from EXTREME imbalance within the league. The SEC West is quite frankly far superior to the East as a whole.

Some will argue that all these things are cyclical.... while things do fluctuate, the truth is the East has NEVER been the dominant division for a sustained period of time.

From 1992 through 2008, the SEC East was very top-heavy. Florida, Tennessee, and Georgia were very strong... South Carolina was below average... and Vandy and Kentucky were horrible. By contrast, the SEC West was pretty mediocre across the board.

So while the East produced 10 of the first 17 SEC Championship Game winners from 1992-2008, the SEC West actually led the East in head-to-head games played by a record of 172-167-3.

During the first 17 years of Divisions in the SEC, the West won 50.7% of all head-to-head cross-divisional matchups, while the East won 49.3%. That's about as even as it could have been.

But beginning with the 2010 season, things started to change. Over the past six years, the West has defeated the East in head-to-head matchups by an astounding record of 70-28. For the better part of the decade, the West has won 71.4% of the head-to-head matchups, while the East has won just 28.6%.

Not only that, but the West has produced the last six SEC Championship Game winners... and the majority of those contests weren't even close. Since 2010, only one time has the Championship Game been decided by less than two touchdowns: The 2012 Georgia vs. Alabama classic in which Georgia came up just 4 points short.

In the other 5 Championship Games since 2010:
Auburn beat South Carolina by 39 points
LSU beat Georgia by 32 points
Auburn beat Missouri by 17 points
Alabama beat Missouri by 29 points
Alabama beat Florida by 14 points

Not only is the West dominating the East in the regular season, they are pounding the East nearly every time in Atlanta.

And it shows no signs of stopping. As a whole, the West is bringing in more talent nearly every year. If you look at the 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings...

In 2016, the West produced 4 of the Top 5 Signing Classes in the SEC
In 2015 the West produced 6 of the Top 8 Signing Classes in the SEC
In 2014, the West produced the Top 4 Signing Classes in the SEC

It's time to shake things up in the divisions. The SEC has got to find a way to make things more equal to better the conference. I think Auburn moving to the East would be a good start.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 2:35 pm
Posted by piggidyphish
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2009
18880 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:34 pm to
eh 6 in one half dozen in the other. Go or stay, it's really not that important.
Posted by TOFTR
Tennissippi
Member since Jan 2016
2925 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:34 pm to
So, basically, other than the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry and the Third Saturday in October, Big 6 rivalries are a myth?
Posted by Luke
1113 Chartres Street, NOLA
Member since Nov 2004
13403 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:36 pm to
AU belongs in the east... perm west rival MSU
Posted by Aggie Fishfinder
Republic of Texas
Member since Feb 2012
4260 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:37 pm to
Meh. I like playing auburn every year. I don't want the yanks in our division.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:39 pm to
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So, basically, other than the Deep South's Oldest Rivalry and the Third Saturday in October, Big 6 rivalries are a myth?


Not a "myth"... while Tennessee has played Kentucky far more times than they have played Florida, it would be difficult to find a Vol fan who valued the Kentucky rivalry more than their rivalry with Florida.

There is far more to a rivalry than just the number of meetings... the most important aspect is the importance of the matchup. While the Egg Bowl has been played for a long, long time with a lot of passion between the fan bases, its quite frankly been very unimportant to the conference as a whole. It only really matters inside the state of Mississippi.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86438 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:40 pm to
you just wrote that novella and didn't mention one thing about how the divisions would look in your format. Who goes to the west? Are you adding teams?

And what is MOST important, aside from preserving the big 2 traditional inter-divisional rivalries, is keeping the balance at the top of divisions. 3 big 6 on one side, 3 on the other. You simply can't have UGA/UF/UT/AU in one division with bama/lsu in the other. Sorry, that's not happening.
Posted by MrAUTigers
Florida
Member since Sep 2013
28280 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:45 pm to
I do miss the UF rivalry. There were some outstanding games played in that series. Other than bama, Auburn had much more history with teams in the East.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:46 pm to
quote:

keeping the balance at the top of divisions. 3 big 6 on one side, 3 on the other. You simply can't have UGA/UF/UT/AU in one division with bama/lsu in the other. Sorry, that's not happening.


Agreed. Auburn and Bama should both move to the East, and give us Missouri and Vandy in return.
Posted by TiggerWoods
Auburn
Member since Nov 2010
3977 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:46 pm to
The only problem is it puts 4 of the 6 in one division. Alabama and LSU would be the only threat from the west.

I would love for Auburn to be in the East but I could see some balance issues when UT picks things up again.
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

you just wrote that novella and didn't mention one thing about how the divisions would look in your format. Who goes to the west? Are you adding teams?


Obviously Missouri should move to the West. Based on longitude, Columbia, MO is the 3rd furthest West campus in the SEC. Auburn is the 6th furthest East.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:56 pm to
People keep talking about us playing Miami again but Auburn is actually closer to Gainesville than Coral Gables.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 2:57 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:57 pm to
quote:

keeping the balance at the top of divisions. 3 big 6 on one side, 3 on the other.


I would typically agree. But the East has the 3 weakest programs historically: South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt. Therefore, something has to be done to balance that out.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:58 pm to
quote:

Other than bama, Auburn had much more history with teams in the East.


Alabama isn't far off

Most Played Teams
1. Mississippi State (West) (100)
2. Tennessee (East) (98)
3. Vanderbilt (East) (83)
4. Auburn (East if they moved) (80)
5. LSU (West) (80)
6. Georgia (East) (67)
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 2:58 pm to
Which is why UK and Vandy need to be split up because they're always gonna lag behind the rest in football.
Posted by Pickle_Weasel
Member since Mar 2016
3802 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by LewDawg
Member since May 2009
75242 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:00 pm to
quote:

you just wrote that novella
quote:

WG_Dawg

Posted by Piscinin
the hills
Member since Nov 2015
3561 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:06 pm to
Auburn moves to the East, Mizzou to the west.

Conference switches to 9 game conference schedule, including 2 permanent cross division games and one rotating.

Auburn can keep the Iron Bowl, Bama and UT can keep TSIO, UT can get back Arkansas, etc.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:08 pm to
quote:

Auburn moves to the East, Mizzou to the west. Conference switches to 9 game conference schedule, including 2 permanent cross division games and one rotating. Auburn can keep the Iron Bowl, Bama and UT can keep TSIO, UT can get back Arkansas, etc.


The only thing is I think most folks really want that 9th game to be another rotating game. The whole deal with the 9th game is to get more teams in the league playing eachother.

Plus, outside of the games you mentioned, all the other 2nd crossover games will just be random matchups with no historical significance. Who is A&M gonna play from the East? Missouri? Ole Miss and State? We'd end up with Ole Miss and State playing Vandy and Kentucky, A&M playing South Carolina and Florida or someone every year.
This post was edited on 4/14/16 at 3:10 pm
Posted by BHMKyle
Birmingham, AL
Member since Feb 2013
5076 posts
Posted on 4/14/16 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

The only problem is it puts 4 of the 6 in one division. Alabama and LSU would be the only threat from the west.


Not necessarily. Judging by all-time AP Poll standings, Arkansas ranks #19... Texas A&M ranks #20... and Ole Miss ranks #22 in the all-time program rankings.

So currently, those teams along with Alabama (#2), LSU (#11), and Auburn (#12) give the West SIX programs ranked among the All-Time AP Top 22 teams. Meanwhile, the SEC East only has 3 programs in the Top 30: #9 Tennessee, #13 Georgia, and #17 Florida.

So even historically speaking, the West is far stronger than the East.

From a historical standpoint, just throw out #57 South Carolina, #58 Mississippi State, #63 Kentucky, and #85 Vanderbilt.... they've all had good years now and then, but let's be honest, they are bad more often than they are good.

That leaves the SEC with 10 solid programs.... all of which are ranked in the Top 32 all-time.

Currentlly the SEC West has 6 of these 10 solid programs (#2 Bama, #11 LSU, #12 Auburn, #19 Arkansas, #20 A&M, #22 Ole Miss). The SEC East has 4 of these 10 solid programs (#9 Tennessee, #13 Georgia, #17 Florida, and #32 Missouri).

Moving Auburn to the East and Missouri to the West would still give the SEC West 6 of the Top 10... but it would insert by far the weakest of those 10 historically (#32 Missouri) and move one of the Top 4 or 5 programs (#12 Auburn) into the East to fill their spot.

It would actually balance things out nicely.
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