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re: Who Owns The State Of Texas: The Longhorns, or The Aggies?
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:13 pm to cramps
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:13 pm to cramps
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becoming a nationally recognized brand with a powerhouse football program with hardware to back it up is all that matters
I'm just not convinced aTm is capable of this. Moreso than like an Arkansas which is just a hilarious notion but still questionable.
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Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:13 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I'm just not convinced aTm is capable of this. Moreso than like an Arkansas which is just a hilarious notion but still questionable.
Why not?
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:14 pm to Draconian Sanctions
May i ask why?
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:16 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Their next hire will be huge. Right now they can still turn things around pretty easily. But if they go through an extended downturn at this specific moment in history it could really hurt their program long term for the reasons you mentioned.
It happened in the 80s and 90s, and it can happen again. They can't blame it on A&M either if it does, only themselves. Too bad there won't be a game for bragging rights.
Oh well, playing LSU on Thanksgiving is a perfect tradeoff for me!
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:18 pm to cramps
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Oh well, playing LSU on Thanksgiving is a perfect tradeoff for me!
What about LSU's Super Bowl with Arky?
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:19 pm to USMC Gators
I should've put "potentially playing LSU on Thanksgiving". But we all know it's in the works.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I don't fault you for believing that, Draconian Sanctions. There's little reason you should think otherwise. Texas A&M University/College has historically been its own worst enemy. For decades, a large percentage of the maroon & white contingency couldn't care less about self-promotion, facilities, marketing, hiring staff from outside of the Aggie Network, etc. The Wally Groff AD years epitomized that. In a nutshell, most Ags not only didn't care what others thought of A&M, they didn't want a national (or even regional) rep. There was a a fear that "carpetbaggers" would change what the university was.
In the early 90s, the powers that be at A&M--along with a very new and young base of Former Students--made the conscious decision to change that. Dont get me wrong: We always believed strongly in who we were/are & for what we stood; but the university did a lousy, lousy job of sharing that with the "outside world." To a very large extent, our former university president, Dr. Robert Gates, changed that.
I'll shut up. I realize most on here are annoyed by my monologue ;). But we are capable. We have every resource we need--monetarily and otherwise--to become a more nationally-recognized brand. Will it happen? Remains to be seen. But the amount of money & effort that has gone into marketing & communications at TAMU over the past decade is sick. Just because we haven't done "it" in the past, doesn't mean times havent changed.
In the early 90s, the powers that be at A&M--along with a very new and young base of Former Students--made the conscious decision to change that. Dont get me wrong: We always believed strongly in who we were/are & for what we stood; but the university did a lousy, lousy job of sharing that with the "outside world." To a very large extent, our former university president, Dr. Robert Gates, changed that.
I'll shut up. I realize most on here are annoyed by my monologue ;). But we are capable. We have every resource we need--monetarily and otherwise--to become a more nationally-recognized brand. Will it happen? Remains to be seen. But the amount of money & effort that has gone into marketing & communications at TAMU over the past decade is sick. Just because we haven't done "it" in the past, doesn't mean times havent changed.
This post was edited on 2/23/13 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:46 pm to 11Will44
To look at it from a completely unscientific, but logical standpoint:
Stubhub -- lowest 2013 season ticket resale price:
Texas -- $586
Texas A&M -- $999
Stubhub -- lowest price for 'biggest' home game
Texas (vs Tech) -- $117
Texas A&M (vs 'Bama) -- $375
So looking at the current market forces, would have to say A&M is at least the much more sought-after ticket. Add in the recent recruiting class outcome, and there's no real question as to where the programs stack up right now.
A&M's looking much more '85-'95 than '96-'06.
Stubhub -- lowest 2013 season ticket resale price:
Texas -- $586
Texas A&M -- $999
Stubhub -- lowest price for 'biggest' home game
Texas (vs Tech) -- $117
Texas A&M (vs 'Bama) -- $375
So looking at the current market forces, would have to say A&M is at least the much more sought-after ticket. Add in the recent recruiting class outcome, and there's no real question as to where the programs stack up right now.
A&M's looking much more '85-'95 than '96-'06.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 1:50 pm to FrankWhite'56
Texas historically owns the state--but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that A&M is poised to take over VERY quickly.
2013 & 2014 seasons will determine much.
2013 & 2014 seasons will determine much.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 4:38 pm to FrankWhite'56
An interesting metric, FrankWhite'56. I was curious and looked up highest Stubhub prices for the home games of the respective schools as well.
Texas A&M (v Bama) = $4,980.00 USD
Texas (v KSU) = $648.00 USD
Certainly the opponents are variables to be considered as well; but supply/demand speaks for itself.
Texas A&M (v Bama) = $4,980.00 USD
Texas (v KSU) = $648.00 USD
Certainly the opponents are variables to be considered as well; but supply/demand speaks for itself.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 4:54 pm to 11Will44
Arkansas
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:05 pm to 11Will44
It doesn't really matter what A&M does, UT will always be the premier university in the state.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:09 pm to Henry Jones Jr
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:13 pm to bigDgator
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It's UT, A&M is the flavor of the month. They will never surpass UT in popularity even if they win the next 100.
Sweeping, conclusory statements are sweeping and conclusory.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:18 pm to Henry Jones Jr
I don't understand why anybody would think this is an important question. Texas is plenty big enough for both schools and several more. I've never felt like UT "owns" Texas any more than I feel like A&M owns Texas now. With the OP being an MSU fan the question is understandable: Mississippi really isn't big enough for MSU, Ole Miss, and USM to all be good or even mediocre. There just aren't enough people.
It has been mentioned before, and I agree that A&M's move to the SEC ultimately hurts OU more than anybody. Which is good.
To me a much better question is which team owns the other. Here's hoping Mack stays around for 10 more years and Ole Miss beats the hell out of UT at Austin.
It has been mentioned before, and I agree that A&M's move to the SEC ultimately hurts OU more than anybody. Which is good.
To me a much better question is which team owns the other. Here's hoping Mack stays around for 10 more years and Ole Miss beats the hell out of UT at Austin.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:19 pm to 11Will44
Neither school owns the State of Texas. 
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:22 pm to cramps
Screw that. You take Ole Miss. We want LSU for Thanksgiving.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:22 pm to thefloydian
UT always has and always will 'own' the state of Texas. That's why aTm HAD to finally get out of the Big 12 and come to the SEC.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:23 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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It doesn't really matter what A&M does, UT will always be the premier university in the state.
Exactly, just like OM will always the premier uni in Mississippi.
Posted on 2/23/13 at 5:28 pm to finestfirst79
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To me a much better question is which team owns the other. Here's hoping Mack stays around for 10 more years and Ole Miss beats the hell out of UT at Austin.
Doesn't he have a pretty good record against A&M?
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