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re: Where would the rant rank Lane Kiffin among SEC OC's?
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:11 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:11 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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What I mean is last year we'd run a screen. It was either successful or it wasn't, but the fact is we just ran it to run it. There was no method behind the playcalling. Kiffin will call a screen and go from there.
I love when fans say this. You have zero clue what the thought process was behind that playcall.
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Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:21 am to CrimsonChin
Well I certainly wouldn't trade him for Bobo
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:24 am to TheCheshireHog
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I love when fans say this. You have zero clue what the thought process was behind that playcall.
Eh, the farthest I went in football was a two year starter at QB in HS. I understood every play we called and why we were calling it, but I certainly couldn't pick up a college playbook and stand next to a college OC and understand exactly why he's doing what he's doing. But years of watching football and watching a lot of it (and in more recent memory analyzing players at an amateur level) I think it isn't hard to me to make an educated guess. I don't know. None of us here really knows. The most we can do is guess. That is why there is a forum to begin with. None of us hang out with Kiffin on weekends and talk football, so if we can't make educated guesses then posting here is entirely useless for all of us.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:31 am to dkreller
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Not trying to sell Kiffikins short but USC was playing patty-cake defenses.
Sometimes an offense is just that good, regardless of the defense. USC's offensive line was experienced, they had two incredible wide receivers in Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith, as well as an excellent tight end in Dominique Byrd. Their backfield was legendary, too. LenDale White AND Reggie Bush. Not to mention a Heisman Trophy-winner in Matt Leinart.
That offense was stacked with 5-star talent. Defenses may not have been as good in the Pac 10 that year as they were in the SEC, but I doubt even 2005 Alabama's defense could have kept up with them.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 8:31 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:33 am to RollTide1987
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but I doubt even 2005 Alabama's defense could have kept up with them.
I can't disagree with this statement.
I like how now that Kiffin is your OC the PAC10/12 is all of a sudden full of contender defenses.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:35 am to dkreller
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I like how now that Kiffin is your OC the PAC10/12 is all of a sudden full of contender defenses.
The '05 Pac 10 featured some swiss cheese defenses to be sure, but defenses in the SEC haven't exactly been all-world the last two years either.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:36 am to CrimsonChin
I hope you like bubble screen after bubble screen, even on 3rd and long. Ask any USC fans about Kiffin's play calling and you'll get your answer quickly.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:40 am to RollTide1987
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but defenses in the SEC haven't exactly been all-world the last two years either.
damn HUNH hurting all those players
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:43 am to RollTide1987
quote:Not really all that comparable.
The '05 Pac 10 featured some swiss cheese defenses to be sure, but defenses in the SEC haven't exactly been all-world the last two years either.
3 teams finished in the top 50 in scoring defense in the Pac 10 in 05. 0 teams in the top 20.
9 SEC teams finished in the top 50 in scoring defense in 2013. 3 in the top 20 (LSU at 21).
8 teams in 2012. 5 in the top 20.
ETA: Actually 6 in the top 20 in 2012. Missed Vandy.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 8:47 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 8:45 am to joeyb147
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3 teams finished in the top 50 in scoring defense in the Pac 10 in 05. 0 teams in the top 20.
9 SEC teams finished in the top 50 in scoring defense in 2013. 3 in the top 20 (LSU at 21).
8 teams in 2012. 5 in the top 20.
facts n shite
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:01 am to parkjas2001
I think he will do fine. It's probably the shake up the offense has needed. Saban was smart in bringing him in. Will he be successful? Time will tell. I think so. I will be interested to see if there is a meltdown if the offensive play calling costs UA a game this year. I'm still not sure both of them can exist together on one team. Either way, it should be interesting.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:09 am to CrimsonChin
Can't judge him yet but he does have the most shiny new toys of anyone so he better be really damned good.
I wasn't blown away by the hire either.
I wasn't blown away by the hire either.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:11 am to InfernoOrangeSS
With the talent UA has at the skill positions this year, Kiff better fricking impress me.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:21 am to CrimsonChin
Not a large enough sample-size. His time at USC was spent with the help of Sark. Since he's been an underwhelming HC at the college and professional level.
If he does well, I will be surprised.
If he does well, I will be surprised.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:25 am to joeyb147
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Not really all that comparable.
3 teams finished in the top 50 in scoring defense in the Pac 10 in 05. 0 teams in the top 20.
9 SEC teams finished in the top 50 in scoring defense in 2013. 3 in the top 20 (LSU at 21).
8 teams in 2012. 5 in the top 20.
ETA: Actually 6 in the top 20 in 2012. Missed Vandy.
I have no idea why you're telling me this. Do I think Alabama's offense will light it up under Kiffin in 2014? No. I think we will average around the same YPG we did under Nussmeier. I just think we will better utilize our offensive talent, particularly our tight ends.
Offensive production really wasn't the problem last year with the exception of a game or two early in the season. It's the defense that needs to improve in order for Alabama to be successful.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 9:34 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:28 am to CrimsonChin
I think how well he develops a QB will be more important than playcalling and scheme.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:33 am to Guava Jelly
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Not a large enough sample-size. His time at USC was spent with the help of Sark.
Can someone please enlighten me as to how Steve Sarkisian is such a superior offensive coordinator? In Lane Kiffin's two years as offensive coordinator at USC his offenses were ranked #1 and #27 respectively. Steve Sarkisian's two years as OC saw his offenses finish #29 and #11 respectively.
Their head coaching records are pretty similar as well. Lane Kiffin is 35-21 in college and Steve Sarkisian is 34-29 in college.
This post was edited on 3/26/14 at 9:35 am
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:37 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Eh, the farthest I went in football was a two year starter at QB in HS. I understood every play we called and why we were calling it, but I certainly couldn't pick up a college playbook and stand next to a college OC and understand exactly why he's doing what he's doing. But years of watching football and watching a lot of it (and in more recent memory analyzing players at an amateur level) I think it isn't hard to me to make an educated guess. I don't know. None of us here really knows. The most we can do is guess.
Right, which is all I am saying. It's just annoying when people make firm statements on something like it is fact. That's all I mean. I am completely open to conversation on why it might be that way however.
I didn't watch a ton of Bama games but based off of your brief description there I would guess that he was running what seemed like random bubble screens as constraint plays. If it seemed disjointed to the naked eye then that would make sense. He was throwing them in there randomly to keep the defense from creeping in to the line to stop the run or possibly set something up further down the line. Just my guess obviously especially since I didn't watch a lot of your games.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:37 am to RollTide1987
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Steve Sarkisian is such a superior offensive coordinator?
I don't know if it is so much that as Sark was an actual QB coach from 2000-2008.
Posted on 3/26/14 at 9:38 am to RollTide1987
This is great. Now Bama fans have no option but to defend Lane friggin Kiffin. I never thought I'd see the day.
Now Bama fans have no option but to defend Lane friggin Kiffin. I never thought I'd see the day.
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