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re: Where Would Kentucky be Without the SEC?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:48 pm to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:48 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Brentwood?
Wooden, you idiot, the greatest college basketball coach of all time.
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:49 pm to CocknDawg
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Wooden, you idiot, the greatest college basketball coach of all time.
UCLA is in Westwood, you moron.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:52 pm to CocknDawg
My mom went to UK and is from a small town in the Bluegrass where we still have an old family house, so I've spent a lot of time in the state and Lexington. It's a unique place and a ton of fun to visit. Keeneland is awesome and the Red Mile is cool too.
As for football, they don't have much talent in KY high schools and have smartly been dipping into Ohio with Vince Marrow recently. They've gotten a number of 4-stars/high 3's out of the state but tOSU and Michigan are going to be dominant there. Outside of Ohio, the Midwest is weak in HS football talent anyways. WV doesn't produce much at all and the smallish number that Tennessee produces goes to UT or, ahem, Clemson.
That said, in baseball, they are recruiting the Midwest and Canada very well. HS baseball talent is better in say, Minnesota, than the football talent is. It helps that the Big Ten is miserable in baseball and a lot of these Midwestern kids want to play in the SEC/ACC but not travel 20 hours to Baton Rouge or Starkville. U of L baseball is doing the same thing. Of course, both schools recruit FL/GA for both sports as well.
As for football, they don't have much talent in KY high schools and have smartly been dipping into Ohio with Vince Marrow recently. They've gotten a number of 4-stars/high 3's out of the state but tOSU and Michigan are going to be dominant there. Outside of Ohio, the Midwest is weak in HS football talent anyways. WV doesn't produce much at all and the smallish number that Tennessee produces goes to UT or, ahem, Clemson.
That said, in baseball, they are recruiting the Midwest and Canada very well. HS baseball talent is better in say, Minnesota, than the football talent is. It helps that the Big Ten is miserable in baseball and a lot of these Midwestern kids want to play in the SEC/ACC but not travel 20 hours to Baton Rouge or Starkville. U of L baseball is doing the same thing. Of course, both schools recruit FL/GA for both sports as well.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:52 pm to I-59 Tiger
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UCLA is in Westwood, you moron.
Oops, so shoot me, actually, to be technically correct it's in Los Angeles.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 3:55 pm to CocknDawg
Yeah, it was actually really difficult.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:01 pm to CocknDawg
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Oops, so shoot me, actually, to be technically correct it's in Los Angeles.
Well, their fight song is the "Sons of Westwood" but Brentwood, or any wood should work.
Regardless,I hardly consider UCLA any football power.They may have done more than Kentucky has but UCLA football has a ways to go.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:02 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:04 pm to undecided
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From that point forward would Kentucky have been as dominant in the ACC or old Big East
No
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Would they have maintained their blue blood status in a conference with more competition and depth?
Yes
Posted on 3/27/17 at 4:05 pm to I-59 Tiger
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Well, their fight song is the "Sons of Westwood" but Brentwood, or any wood should work. Regardless,I hardly consider UCLA any football power.They may have done more than Kentucky has but UCLA football has a ways to go.
A poster with a sense of humor. Proud to know you, sir.
Back in the days of the Great Beban, UCLA probably had the best sports program in the United States.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 6:24 pm to TarHeel408
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My mom went to UK and is from a small town in the Bluegrass where we still have an old family house
Where?
Posted on 3/27/17 at 6:42 pm to undecided
So much fail in this thread, where to begin?
What you missed is they could have close to double that if the SEC had not dropped the SEC tournament for a quarter of a century or so
In the days of the early NIT the Cats owned the Big East turf the same way they own Catlanta. If not for the mob influence, UK would have just been the early alpha of the east instead of the SEC.
In terms of the ACC based on time frame Kentucky would have owned what became the ACC as they were a basketball power first. Case did not leave Indiana for NC State till after UK basketball had a firm grip and UNC was well behind NC State early on. Dook was always behind NC State, UNC, and probably Maryland until the late 70's and early 80's. Long before Tobacco Road was in diapers the basketball game every year was Indiana vs Kentucky, If you do not remember this you are too young.
Not only a charter member but the first SEC head was the UK president. SEC formed in the early 30's and the ACC did not form until a generation later in the early 50's so UK had a 20+ year head start on any current ACC school not named Georgia Tech.
You are young and wrong. While the ACC and Big East benefitted greatly from the rise of ESPN, before the ESPN era they were the bottom of the barrel when you just had the Big 3 (ABC / CBS / NBC) broadcasting college sports. In fact I would go so far to say if the book that took down the Wolfpack the Dook rivalry would be a distant 3rd or 4th for the Tar Heels.
I knew Rupp when he was alive and I know his child, pretty damn sure he did not care as long as the kid could play and get wins for Rupp's teams. He played African Americans on his teams before he came to UK and had no problem doing so. While no angel he was aware of the difficulty of taking African Americans to play venues in the deep south at the time and chose not to push the envelope at the time. Most of the "myth" of his racist past is rooted in journalist writing articles in the 80's and 90's who were not even alive to know him.
Correct answer as Rupp in men = Pat in women in that they would play anybody, anytime, anywhere and always played to win while playing a fast game. Lots of the ACC for decades would play "stall ball" which was boring as crap (and why they instituted the shot clock) to prevent folks like Dean Smith from playing "4 corners" and putting the fans to sleep.
Because of several reasons
#1 KY is a small population state so must import more than they produce internally which is almost impossible to do in the SEC with Ohio State + Notre Dame just north and Tennessee + Alabama just south who are producing more in state talent at the junior high and high school level.
#2 KY is a tobacco state so kids that are harvesting, stripping, and hanging are working during football season but are free to play sports in the basketball season as it does not interfere with farm work.
#3 KY is a poor state so a winning sport is a source of state pride and with less wealth and less talent it is easier to compete in basketball (with just 5 players and little equipment cost) than football (with 11 players and much higher equipment costs)
#4 KY historically wins with 1 star and the "locals" in true team play. UK would have 1 or two legitimate stars and the rest were kids who just dreamed about "Kentucky" on their chest and played well above their ability. Classic example was the 92 team where Pitino was forced to revert to the old Rupp model and "the unforgettables" is what he got as the result. If UK were to extrapolate that to the much higher numbers required for football it would just never get to critical mass.
: kige :
Wooden was a .600 to .700 coach without Sam Gilbert but went to .900 when Gilbert started "helping" UCLA. Watch the movie "Blue Chips" sometime as the real story of UCLA back in the day. If Auburn had Sam Gilbert they may have a decade of Nattys in football and a much better W/L balance with Bama.
Clair Bee may be the greatest college basketball coach of all time but has been all but forgotten by a modern generation and removed from the old NIT generation.
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Heard a stat that Kentucky has 30 SEC CHAMPIONSHIPS, more than all other SEC teams COMBINED.
What you missed is they could have close to double that if the SEC had not dropped the SEC tournament for a quarter of a century or so
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To frame this discussion let's start at Post integration. From that point forward would Kentucky have been as dominant in the ACC or old Big East?
In the days of the early NIT the Cats owned the Big East turf the same way they own Catlanta. If not for the mob influence, UK would have just been the early alpha of the east instead of the SEC.
In terms of the ACC based on time frame Kentucky would have owned what became the ACC as they were a basketball power first. Case did not leave Indiana for NC State till after UK basketball had a firm grip and UNC was well behind NC State early on. Dook was always behind NC State, UNC, and probably Maryland until the late 70's and early 80's. Long before Tobacco Road was in diapers the basketball game every year was Indiana vs Kentucky, If you do not remember this you are too young.
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Kentucky is a charter member of the SEC.
Not only a charter member but the first SEC head was the UK president. SEC formed in the early 30's and the ACC did not form until a generation later in the early 50's so UK had a 20+ year head start on any current ACC school not named Georgia Tech.
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I wouldn't put any of those schools on the same level as being in a conference with UNC and Duke or the 80's Big East
You are young and wrong. While the ACC and Big East benefitted greatly from the rise of ESPN, before the ESPN era they were the bottom of the barrel when you just had the Big 3 (ABC / CBS / NBC) broadcasting college sports. In fact I would go so far to say if the book that took down the Wolfpack the Dook rivalry would be a distant 3rd or 4th for the Tar Heels.
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Rupp did not want to play African-Americans.
I knew Rupp when he was alive and I know his child, pretty damn sure he did not care as long as the kid could play and get wins for Rupp's teams. He played African Americans on his teams before he came to UK and had no problem doing so. While no angel he was aware of the difficulty of taking African Americans to play venues in the deep south at the time and chose not to push the envelope at the time. Most of the "myth" of his racist past is rooted in journalist writing articles in the 80's and 90's who were not even alive to know him.
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They'd be just fine.
Correct answer as Rupp in men = Pat in women in that they would play anybody, anytime, anywhere and always played to win while playing a fast game. Lots of the ACC for decades would play "stall ball" which was boring as crap (and why they instituted the shot clock) to prevent folks like Dean Smith from playing "4 corners" and putting the fans to sleep.
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Kentucky borders Ohio, West Virginia, Tennessee, and Indiana. Not too far from Michigan, Missouri or Illinois.
Why has the football not been better?
Because of several reasons
#1 KY is a small population state so must import more than they produce internally which is almost impossible to do in the SEC with Ohio State + Notre Dame just north and Tennessee + Alabama just south who are producing more in state talent at the junior high and high school level.
#2 KY is a tobacco state so kids that are harvesting, stripping, and hanging are working during football season but are free to play sports in the basketball season as it does not interfere with farm work.
#3 KY is a poor state so a winning sport is a source of state pride and with less wealth and less talent it is easier to compete in basketball (with just 5 players and little equipment cost) than football (with 11 players and much higher equipment costs)
#4 KY historically wins with 1 star and the "locals" in true team play. UK would have 1 or two legitimate stars and the rest were kids who just dreamed about "Kentucky" on their chest and played well above their ability. Classic example was the 92 team where Pitino was forced to revert to the old Rupp model and "the unforgettables" is what he got as the result. If UK were to extrapolate that to the much higher numbers required for football it would just never get to critical mass.
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It really difficult to be both a football and basketball school.
: kige :
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Wooden, you idiot, the greatest college basketball coach of all time.
Wooden was a .600 to .700 coach without Sam Gilbert but went to .900 when Gilbert started "helping" UCLA. Watch the movie "Blue Chips" sometime as the real story of UCLA back in the day. If Auburn had Sam Gilbert they may have a decade of Nattys in football and a much better W/L balance with Bama.
Clair Bee may be the greatest college basketball coach of all time but has been all but forgotten by a modern generation and removed from the old NIT generation.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 6:55 pm to LegendOfCobb
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quote: My mom went to UK and is from a small town in the Bluegrass where we still have an old family house Where?
Bloomfield, near Bardstown. The area is the plantation capital of KY along with parts of the inner Bluegrass. Jerry and Linda Bruckheimer bought another of my families old homes and split time between there and LA.
Perfect location too, as it's an easy drive to both major cities.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:04 pm to TarHeel408
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Jerry and Linda Bruckheimer bought another of my families old homes and split time between there and LA.
If it is the one loaded with wild turkeys I know that farm well!
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:11 pm to Cheese Grits
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If it is the one loaded with wild turkeys I know that farm well
Yep, it's called Walnut Groves. Can't see the house from the road but I've got a picture of it from when my people lived there if you care to see it.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:15 pm to TarHeel408
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Bloomfield, near Bardstown.
Bardstown is one of my favorite places in the state. Love the people and really love they protected their historic downtown. It is great when you have a monastery and a distillery co existing in the same town.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:21 pm to TarHeel408
If your people owned it in the 70's pretty sure I have been in that house
Wild turkey (the fowl) is damn food eatin
Wild Turkey (the liquid) is damn good drinkin
Post a picture if you like tho.
Pretty sure when they bought your place they bought the buildings downtown that got fixed up nicely in the past decade or so.
Wild turkey (the fowl) is damn food eatin
Wild Turkey (the liquid) is damn good drinkin
Post a picture if you like tho.
Pretty sure when they bought your place they bought the buildings downtown that got fixed up nicely in the past decade or so.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:24 pm to Cheese Grits
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Bardstown is one of my favorite places in the state. Love the people and really love they protected their historic downtown. It is great when you have a monastery and a distillery co existing in the same town.
Absolutely agree. Such a perfect small town downtown. Bloomfield's downtown is the same way (obviously smaller) now that the Bruckheimers restored so many buildings and put businesses in them.
Love the hot brown at Old Talbott Tavern and have had many drinks at Mammy's since they expanded. Kurtz's was the special occasion place for my grandparents.
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:29 pm to undecided
The question is Where would the SEC be without UK?
The SEC is a close third to the ACC for most NC's by conference with 11. UK has 8, Gaytors have 2, and Hawgs have one.
PAC-12 has 15 and of course UCLA has 11 of those
FTR, ACC is at 13 with UNC and Duke at 5 each, NCSt with 2
The SEC is a close third to the ACC for most NC's by conference with 11. UK has 8, Gaytors have 2, and Hawgs have one.
PAC-12 has 15 and of course UCLA has 11 of those
FTR, ACC is at 13 with UNC and Duke at 5 each, NCSt with 2
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:32 pm to Cheese Grits
They sold it in the 1940's I believe. The only people that see the place now are their employees and celebrity friends that come to town. Don't tell Linda, but her house is the second best in Bloomfield behind Meadow View on the hill going toward the parkway. I have very recent pictures of that house as my mom and I got to know the current owner (great guy from NC).
Posted on 3/27/17 at 7:37 pm to TarHeel408
What generation are you?
How well do you know Bardstown folks?
How well do you know Bardstown folks?
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