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re: What would be the merit of ending conference divisions in the SEC?
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:16 pm to logjamming
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:16 pm to logjamming
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Of course you don't. Tennessee hasn't done shite since 2007 and has been through the worst 10 years in program history. As long as they keep making brilliant hires like Derek Dooley and Butch Jones, Alabama can pencil in a "W" next to Tennessee before the season even starts.
Butch beats Nick soon. I'm not saying it happens this year, but it'll happen soon.
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Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:19 pm to TeLeFaWx
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You're not entitled to any gimme games, much less three.
Nobody said anything about entitled, it's about the opportunity. If an SEC school wanted to they could schedule Ohio State, USC, and Oklahoma for their OOC and nobody would stop them (assuming availability obvi). The point is that with a 9 game sec sked 4 schools CANNOT, like literally do not even have the option, to schedule any more than 2 games while every other school CAN, if they so choose, have 3.
That's like a textbook definition of an uneven playing field.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:19 pm to WG_Dawg
I don't see anything wrong with the current setup. 9 games would just cause us to beat each other up more and give weak conferences that already play an easier in-conference slate an advantage.
As a fan, I like the idea of playing more games and seeing teams more often until I consider the bigger picture.
As a fan, I like the idea of playing more games and seeing teams more often until I consider the bigger picture.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:20 pm to higgs_boson
If you went to 9 games you could keep divisions and still rotate opponents often.
The SEC sticking to 8 conference games was a really shitty decision they'll hopefully change.
The SEC sticking to 8 conference games was a really shitty decision they'll hopefully change.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:21 pm to Prof
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9 games would just cause us to beat each other up more and give weak conferences that already play an easier in-conference slate an advantage.
that too, which hadn't even been mentioned. I mean, the last decade the SEC has without quesiton been the toughest league in football. So now we want to play another one of our own, before the SECCG, before the playoffs? That's smart
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:28 pm to higgs_boson
I thought I had read somewhere that the NCAA deregulated conference championship games to help out the Big 12. If that's the case there's no reason for the SEC to have divisions. Let each team pick 2 permanent opponents a year and rotate the other 6 or 7. 2 best records play in ATL.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:30 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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Let each team pick 2 permanent opponents a year
there's too much history to only have 2 permanents, but I think 3 would be fine.
If we could have a CCG without divisions, I really see no downside to just having 3 permanent opponents and rotating everyone else.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:34 pm to WG_Dawg
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that too, which hadn't even been mentioned. I mean, the last decade the SEC has without quesiton been the toughest league in football. So now we want to play another one of our own, before the SECCG, before the playoffs? That's smart
We've also gone back to one bye week this year and that is going to have an impact on teams and athletes this year. Scheduling the right cupcake at the right time can almost make up for that - you can hold out injured players and ones that might be forced into action despite needing some healing time and still win - but going to 9 changes that. There's more to consider than just more games = more fun as a fan.
A physically beat up SEC team in the post-season is at a disadvantage versus a much healthier foe, especially in BCS/play-off games. And that's not accounting for the mental grind and flat out exhaustion of an SEC schedule.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:40 pm to higgs_boson
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I would think it would take nine SEC games to make it work,
The only downside to the current system is the length of time between cross-division non-permanent opponents, as others have already mentioned. It's a little crazy that a player can go through 4 or 5 years and never travel to a conference opponent (or have them visit).
Eliminating permanent cross-division opponents would help a bit, but we know that isn't happening. The roommate switch is the only rational alternative, but I don't see that happening, either. We like our divisions too much.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:41 pm to finestfirst79
roommate switch is badass and seems to meet all necessary concerns. It is just SUCH a deviation from the norm that it'll never work, but it's a fantastic idea. the more I think about it, the more I see no flaws in it.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:47 pm to Prof
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I don't see anything wrong with the current setup. 9 games would just cause us to beat each other up more and give weak conferences that already play an easier in-conference slate an advantage.
This is a BS argument. Especially with the 4 game playoff format. It didn't prevent USC from running CFB for a stretch when they played a 9 game schedule and still played a power 5 OOC opponent every year.
And if the worry is that we'll "beat up on each other," then why the hell require scheduling a power 5 team every year?
This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:48 pm to WG_Dawg
I would be really upset to not play Bama and UGA every year, but I do think it sucks to only play some teams like once every six years. I think we should go to a nine game conference schedule. If we don't do that, I like that roommate switch set-up. I'd also be fine w/ some kind of three perm rivals "pod" setup.
If those are all no-go's then I'd much rather just keep the current setup than lose one of our two best rivals.
If those are all no-go's then I'd much rather just keep the current setup than lose one of our two best rivals.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:54 pm to WG_Dawg
It could work but that might cause a pretty big imbalance in scheduling depending on how the permanents were drawn up. In that example Tennessee would have Auburn, Bama, and Florida as their 3 permanents which is about as brutal as it gets. Mizzou, otoh, would have Kentucky, Arky and Vandy as their 3 permanents.
To get a change like the roommate switch through they'd have to be careful with how each team's permanents are drawn up.
To get a change like the roommate switch through they'd have to be careful with how each team's permanents are drawn up.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:56 pm to logjamming
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And if the worry is that we'll "beat up on each other," then why the hell require scheduling a power 5 team every year?
Some of us have been scheduling P5 teams whereas some of us have not. And USC running CFB?
Not all conferences are equal.This post was edited on 5/9/15 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 5/9/15 at 6:58 pm to higgs_boson
Keep it at 8 regular season games. End permanent cross-division rivals if you want to play everyone more frequently.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:20 pm to WG_Dawg
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Nobody said anything about entitled, it's about the opportunity. If an SEC school wanted to they could schedule Ohio State, USC, and Oklahoma for their OOC and nobody would stop them (assuming availability obvi). The point is that with a 9 game sec sked 4 schools CANNOT, like literally do not even have the option, to schedule any more than 2 games while every other school CAN, if they so choose, have 3.
That's like a textbook definition of an uneven playing field.
Then don't play Georgia Tech. No one is forcing you.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:29 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Then don't play Georgia Tech. No one is forcing you.
Thanks! I don't know why they act like they have to
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:32 pm to TeLeFaWx
Let them work on beating Florida first
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:38 pm to higgs_boson
Go to 16, go to 4-team pods. Best interest for everyone.
Play your pod (3 games), rotate through the other three pods (4 games each), play at least one Power 5 OOC (at least 1 game), play remaining cupcakes.
Play your pod (3 games), rotate through the other three pods (4 games each), play at least one Power 5 OOC (at least 1 game), play remaining cupcakes.
Posted on 5/9/15 at 7:39 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Then don't play Georgia Tech. No one is forcing you.
we aren't pussies like atm, we actually like playing our long time in-state rivals that we've played since 1893. We aren't just going to up and quit.
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