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re: What program is better overall in football: Auburn or Georgia?

Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:53 pm to
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17289 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:53 pm to
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Mike DuBose got busted and fired too, so I can relate, but I am not going to deny it either.
DuBose got fired for losing to Southern Miss and UCF. You homos were denying he was cheating right up until the "staring down the barrel" presser.
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The obvious point is that without Dye cheating so blatantly, Auburn might not have won those SEC titles in the 80s.
How exactly did arranging inappropriate loans for a mediocre DB in 1990 win us the 1983 SEC Championship?
Posted by Huddie Leadbetter
Member since May 2016
3822 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 9:57 pm to
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There's no advantage either way so you can only go by what happened. What happened in 1950 counts just as much as what happened in 2016


Not really, because in the 1950s some of the best players didn't even get to enroll at most major colleges in the US, let alone play football in the SEC.

Some of those great black college teams back in the day could probably have kicked the asses of a lot of major college teams.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 9:58 pm
Posted by ImayGoLesMiles
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Feb 2015
12709 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 10:10 pm to
Man are you being serious? So nothing mattered in college sports before 1970? Are you a damn retard? Even by your dumbass metric LSU is still a better program than auburn since 1970.

Head to Head since 1970: LSU leads series 18-12
National titles since 1970: LSU leads 2-1
Natonal title game appearances: LSU leads 3-2
SEC conference title game appearances LSU 5 (4-1 record) Auburn 5 (3-2 record)
SEC Titles since 1970: LSU- 7 Auburn-7 (one of which was a frickin 3 way tie lol)
BCS bowls and record: LSU 5 (4-1) Auburn 3 (2-1) record.

shut the frick up now.
This post was edited on 7/3/17 at 10:20 pm
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 7/3/17 at 10:58 pm to
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Man are you being serious? So nothing mattered in college sports before 1970? Are you a damn retard? Even by your dumbass metric LSU is still a better program than auburn since 1970.

Head to Head since 1970: LSU leads series 18-12
National titles since 1970: LSU leads 2-1
Natonal title game appearances: LSU leads 3-2
SEC conference title game appearances LSU 5 (4-1 record) Auburn 5 (3-2 record)
SEC Titles since 1970: LSU- 7 Auburn-7 (one of which was a frickin 3 way tie lol)
BCS bowls and record: LSU 5 (4-1) Auburn 3 (2-1) record.

shut the frick up now.


Dumb frick, when was LSU ever part of this conversation ?

You must be part of the generation from LA prior to 1990, where they didn't concentrate on education. For the most part, LSU wasn't relevant until Saban got there. All the good athletes had to go to other schools out of state.
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:24 am to
Auburn. We at least challenge for championships every 4 years or so.

And at least we dont smell like goddam corndogs like the coonasses.
This post was edited on 7/4/17 at 12:25 am
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19210 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 12:35 am to
I mean, is it really a question when you compare hardware? thUGA May have the overall record by what two games? GTFO
Posted by Oklahomey
Bucksnort, TN
Member since Mar 2013
5007 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 1:28 am to
Before 2010, Georgia had the upper hand. Both are mostly even overall, but as of now I'd give the slight edge to Auburn as they have played for two titles winning one.
Posted by CBandits82
Lurker since May 2008
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/4/17 at 9:57 pm to
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Before 2010, Georgia had the upper hand. Both are mostly even overall, but as of now I'd give the slight edge to Auburn as they have played for two titles winning one.




Besides titles they trump Auburn in every category.

One more title does not trump all of that history IMO.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 7/4/17 at 11:01 pm to
Edging out by an arse hair isn't exactly "trumping"
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:12 am to
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How exactly did arranging inappropriate loans for a mediocre DB in 1990 win us the 1983 SEC Championship?


So Pat Dye only started cheating in 1990?

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When Terry Bowden was hired in to coach Auburn, he was a bright and audacious young (mid-30s) coach eager to make his legendary father proud and make a name for himself.

Everything changed within his first week. An assistant coach from the previous staff, whom Bowden was told he had to retain, walked into his office and placed a black ledger on his desk. It was a list of players who were being paid.

This is how we do it around here, Bowden was told.

Bowden told the assistant coach, “Pay off the players that were promised and never do it again.”


Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 3:51 am to
That's your evidence? The word of a disgruntled self-employee who was fired in shame? Who wasn't even at Auburn during the time frame in question?

Somebody like that could never possibly have an ad to grind, and has all the incentive in the world to tell the truth.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27297 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 7:03 am to
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That's your evidence? The word of a disgruntled self-employee who was fired in shame? Who wasn't even at Auburn during the time frame in question?


So he just made it up because he was a "disgruntled former employee"

He was the freakin head coach and WTF does have have to gain admitting to breaking NCAA rules.Don't you think it kinda hurt his chances of ever landing a big time HC job again???

Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17289 posts
Posted on 7/5/17 at 9:15 am to
Here's more from the article you quoted (from Bleacher Report, that well-known fount of credibility, by Matt Hayes, of whom his former employer The Sporting News thought so highly that they removed links to every article he wrote over 16 years from their website):
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But here's the catch: I've seen the ledger.

Saw it 13 years ago when Bowden—now the coach at Akron—was a studio host for ABC's college football coverage and lived in my hometown. I went to his house one sleepy spring morning, expecting to talk about why such a successful coach had walked away from it all. He sat behind the desk of a makeshift office in his master bedroom, pulled out the ledger and plopped it on his desk.

Just like it had happened to him.

I saw the names, saw the money, saw the way players were recruited and what they were paid.

And yet, in the decade between the time the ledger came into Bowden's possession and the day he showed it to Hayes, not a single player ever came forward and admitted they were paid by AU. And a team of NCAA officials somehow overlooked a huge pay-for-play scheme that was still going on in the middle of their investigation, despite the fact that the center of that investigation was a disgruntled former player who most certainly would have been willing and able to provide names of his teammates who would have been paid, and the coaches that paid them. And in the 14 years since Bowden showed his 'proof' to a nationally-published sports journalist, said journalist also apparently failed to contact any of the names he allegedly saw in print to verify the story (which, coincidentally, he didn't include any contemporaneous quotes from Bowden when he published this piece last fall, mainly because Bowden has never made these allegations anywhere except 'off the record').

But hey, let's accept your premise: AU under Dye was dirty as hell, Bowden really was telling the truth, and there really was a system in place to recruit players with cash and other illegal benefits, all written down in ledger form. I'm willing to believe that's all accurate (despite the fact that, even at this late date, no one has ever managed to wrangle a confession from any one of the literally dozens of players who allegedly benefited from AU's elaborate 12-year pay-for-play system).

Who was AU's recruiting coordinator under Dye? Where was he in 1999, when this 'little black book' story first came to light, and where was he in 2003 when Bowden allegedly showed Hayes concrete proof that AU was cheating?

How far down this rabbit hole do you want to go?
This post was edited on 7/5/17 at 9:22 am
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