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re: What is Mississippi State's Problem?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:05 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:05 pm to deeprig9
First of all...
This is wrong. The second you stop recruiting in state as your main priority is the second you will become a dumpster fire. If you we're having trouble splitting talent and having other teams take Miss. talent. What makes you think we're gonna get guys from out of state? What you have to do is find underrated guys who are willing to work with the occasional 5* standout player i.e. Chris Jones. The only way you can consistently get recruits is to win. In no way can Mullen branch out of Mississippi as a main priority for recruiting. That would hurt us to a point of no return.
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you have to go outside your state to field a 2-deep on both sides of the ball that has the talent to compete for the West every year
This is wrong. The second you stop recruiting in state as your main priority is the second you will become a dumpster fire. If you we're having trouble splitting talent and having other teams take Miss. talent. What makes you think we're gonna get guys from out of state? What you have to do is find underrated guys who are willing to work with the occasional 5* standout player i.e. Chris Jones. The only way you can consistently get recruits is to win. In no way can Mullen branch out of Mississippi as a main priority for recruiting. That would hurt us to a point of no return.
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:06 pm to deeprig9
I think a main part of State's problem is not having much of a draw from out-of state recruits.
They are really strong with the State of MS - but when you have years when Ole Miss, Bama, LSU, Aubie get a lot of the top players in the state of MS, they can't usually fill their class with top talent from out of state. And end up picking up guys that maybe USM has been recruiting hard vs. being able to get guys from elsewhere.
You just probably won't see years where State could pick up a Treadwell from Illinois, or a Tunsil type from Georgia.
All that said, Ole Miss sure doesn't have it figured out either. And State seems to be hitting it pretty good for 2015 MS recruits.
They are really strong with the State of MS - but when you have years when Ole Miss, Bama, LSU, Aubie get a lot of the top players in the state of MS, they can't usually fill their class with top talent from out of state. And end up picking up guys that maybe USM has been recruiting hard vs. being able to get guys from elsewhere.
You just probably won't see years where State could pick up a Treadwell from Illinois, or a Tunsil type from Georgia.
All that said, Ole Miss sure doesn't have it figured out either. And State seems to be hitting it pretty good for 2015 MS recruits.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:08 pm to GreyReb
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I think a main part of State's problem is not having much of a draw from out-of state recruits.
They are really strong with the State of MS - but when you have years when Ole Miss, Bama, LSU, Aubie get a lot of the top players in the state of MS, they can't usually fill their class with top talent from out of state. And end up picking up guys that maybe USM has been recruiting hard vs. being able to get guys from elsewhere.
You just probably won't see years where State could pick up a Treadwell from Illinois, or a Tunsil type from Georgia.
All that said, Ole Miss sure doesn't have it figured out either. And State seems to be hitting it pretty good for 2015 MS recruits.
solid post.
ETA: I agree on the out of state part a lot. Most of the out of state players that State and OM get have personal connections to the university or current players.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:09 pm to skirpnasty
all things considered i think MSU has done a pretty good job here lately.
overall they are probably 3rd or 4th choice for most of the players in their own state. they are in a very rural, unappealing location. the don't have legacy of excellence.
in spite of that they have had winning seasons the past several years and have a player this year in dak prescott that could push them into a higher bracket for a few seasons.
i'm not sure what more a rational person could reasonably expect.
overall they are probably 3rd or 4th choice for most of the players in their own state. they are in a very rural, unappealing location. the don't have legacy of excellence.
in spite of that they have had winning seasons the past several years and have a player this year in dak prescott that could push them into a higher bracket for a few seasons.
i'm not sure what more a rational person could reasonably expect.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:11 pm to escatawpabuckeye
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i'm not sure what more a rational person could reasonably expect.
Not much. Fans will always have lofty expectations. However, I expect to win around 8-9 games, beating Ole Miss, and having an upset against a top 25 team every year. those are my expectations, now will it happen? Maybe, maybe not.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:13 pm to Fireman17
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You ever been to MooVille aka Starkville that would say a lot.. Nothing to do down there but Pony strip club that Mullen has a credit card at.
You ever seen a pic of fireman17?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:22 pm to Slippery Slope
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You ever seen a pic of fireman17?
I like gladiator movies.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:30 pm to deeprig9
They are very relevant in the state of Mississippi which always has some underrated players in it due to two reasons:
1. Lack of exposure
2. A lot of poor, rural areas where a lot of kids don't have any means to go to big camps to boost ratings or go on a lot of unofficials to pile up offers.
State has made a living off a lot of those guys. They're also turning in a pretty solid effort in this 2015 class.
For them to compete in the SEC West they will have to start getting their name out there nationally. Playing Oklahoma State got them on television and they'll need to do more of that. Their 2014 out-of-conference will hurt them in recruiting as no one will watch those except for fans of Mississippi State and (insert Sun Belt team here). If they schedule BCS-AQ teams that would help a lot.
To go along with that, they typically don't pull the upset too often. Mullen beats the teams he is supposed to and loses to the teams he is supposed to. Losing to Alabama and LSU will just get you a ho-hum 15-second spot on Sportscenter. If they pull a 2008 Ole Miss or 2012 Texas A&M and beat a No. 1 team, that'd make a lot more guys from around the region take notice.
So if I were in the State brass and wanted to make them into a perennial power I would schedule Michigan, Nebraska, Louisville, etc. I.E. teams that are big enough for name-recognition yet I believe State could beat at this point in time. Then once I started pulling some of those out-of-state horses, pulling an upset over Alabama or LSU would do wonders.
This is probably their best year to make a name for themselves on the field with all the question marks at the power schools. Upset one of those and put a marquee team on the slate for 2015 or 2016 and it could be a game-changer.
Lastly, winning/losing the Egg Bowl does jack shite for recruiting. Absolutely no recruits out of state care and the in-state guys are more about fit than who wins one game anyway.
1. Lack of exposure
2. A lot of poor, rural areas where a lot of kids don't have any means to go to big camps to boost ratings or go on a lot of unofficials to pile up offers.
State has made a living off a lot of those guys. They're also turning in a pretty solid effort in this 2015 class.
For them to compete in the SEC West they will have to start getting their name out there nationally. Playing Oklahoma State got them on television and they'll need to do more of that. Their 2014 out-of-conference will hurt them in recruiting as no one will watch those except for fans of Mississippi State and (insert Sun Belt team here). If they schedule BCS-AQ teams that would help a lot.
To go along with that, they typically don't pull the upset too often. Mullen beats the teams he is supposed to and loses to the teams he is supposed to. Losing to Alabama and LSU will just get you a ho-hum 15-second spot on Sportscenter. If they pull a 2008 Ole Miss or 2012 Texas A&M and beat a No. 1 team, that'd make a lot more guys from around the region take notice.
So if I were in the State brass and wanted to make them into a perennial power I would schedule Michigan, Nebraska, Louisville, etc. I.E. teams that are big enough for name-recognition yet I believe State could beat at this point in time. Then once I started pulling some of those out-of-state horses, pulling an upset over Alabama or LSU would do wonders.
This is probably their best year to make a name for themselves on the field with all the question marks at the power schools. Upset one of those and put a marquee team on the slate for 2015 or 2016 and it could be a game-changer.
Lastly, winning/losing the Egg Bowl does jack shite for recruiting. Absolutely no recruits out of state care and the in-state guys are more about fit than who wins one game anyway.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:34 pm to Fireman17
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You ever been to MooVille aka Starkville that would say a lot.. Nothing to do down there but Pony strip club that Mullen has a credit card at.
- Fireman17
Posted on 4/21/14 at 8:46 pm to pivey14
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This is wrong. The second you stop recruiting in state as your main priority is the second you will become a dumpster fire.
First of all, you are a dumpster fire. Second of all, you quoted me out of context, literally. I never said stop recruiting your own state. In addition to recruiting your own state, you need to reach out into other population centers like DFW or ATL.
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What makes you think we're gonna get guys from out of state?
Tunsil (GA) to Ole Miss.
Tavon Ross (GA) to Mizzou.
Mike Davis (GA) to USCe.
Jordan Matthews (AL) to Vanderbilt.
I can do this all day.
I think about Miss St like South Carolina, pre-Spurrier.
Who in the hell would have thought that a new coach, and a new commitment from the AD could turn around that team, to the point they are in the conversation for the SECC in recent years, despite never having actually won one?
It is possible... and Spurrier has done it through recruiting.
South Carolina also has a relatively small population, they split with Clemson for the in-state recruits, and UGA and others are constantly poaching from them as well.
Spurrier started recruiting nationally to make up for the short fall.
He didn't decide he'd just "coach up" the leftovers.
He knew it wouldn't work. He knew that's why they had sucked for decades.
Yeah, you need of mix of blue chips and blue collar players, that's a different conversation that is fun to have with SCrooster every other year, but the fact is that Spurrier doesn't rely on his staff's ability to "coach up" no-star talent.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:07 pm to deeprig9
Too bad we don't play your Bulldogs from the East this year. I'd like to see what excuse you'd give after the Poor ol Mississippi State Bulldogs get ahold UGA. You would be jumping on the Fire Richt train again.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:10 pm to deeprig9
If Ole Miss and Mississippi State merged into one school they'd still only be competing for 3rd at best in the SECW
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:11 pm to The Calvin
Maybe in the past. You won't be saying such shite after this season kiddo. 
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:14 pm to deeprig9
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Tunsil (GA) to Ole Miss.
Tavon Ross (GA) to Mizzou.
Mike Davis (GA) to USCe.
Jordan Matthews (AL) to Vanderbilt.
I can do this all day.
Go ahead, you still have yet to mention Mississippi State....
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:14 pm to deeprig9
Deeprig, maybe you ought to enroll in my MS sports history class. We meet once a week for about an hour and a half, to two hours. It's primarily designed for A&M students and fans, but....will make an exception in your case. You should finish in about 4 to 5 weeks depending on your ability to learn and retain the material. Quizzes are weekly with a comprehensive exam at the end. Homework is required. I don't always grade homework, however, you'll never when, if I decide to do so. You can set your own pace, and encourage you to ask any questions. Be assertive and willing to engage in class discussions, but no whispering is allowed while in class. How does that sound?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:14 pm to Klongdawg
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Too bad we don't play your Bulldogs from the East this year. I'd like to see what excuse you'd give after the Poor ol Mississippi State Bulldogs get ahold UGA. You would be jumping on the Fire Richt train again.
That's the spirit!!
Posted on 4/21/14 at 9:16 pm to Reservoir dawg
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Deeprig, maybe you ought to enroll in my MS sports history class. We meet once a week for about an hour and a half, to two hours. It's primarily designed for A&M students and fans, but....will make an exception in your case. You should finish in about 4 to 5 weeks depending on your ability to learn and retain the material. Quizzes are weekly with a comprehensive exam at the end. Homework is required. I don't always grade homework, however, you'll never when, if I decide to do so. You can set your own pace, and encourage you to ask any questions. Be assertive and willing to engage in class discussions, but no whispering is allowed while in class. How does that sound?
Ok. Do I need access to your board?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:09 pm to nelatf
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5.) I was joking about #1 but seriously, the OOC schedule had not been great - Alcorn, MTSU, JSU, Troy, etc do not get you ready for your conference schedule . Play some MWC and CUSA teams and do it as a 1 and done.
South Alabama is in their 3rd year of having a football program this fall. State travels to Mobile to play the jags at Ladd. Wow just wow.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:26 pm to diddydirtyAubie
Posted on 4/21/14 at 10:32 pm to BallstotheWesleyWall
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BallstotheWesleyWall
Your mascot's pretty ugly, but I like you anyways.
Please stay. 
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