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Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:43 pm to bamasgot13
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21 violations including 15 level 1 violations
level 1 violations include allowing a player to sleep over at a coaches house after a fight with girlfriend...fellowship of Christian athletes giving a ride to a recruit to a game.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:44 pm to REBSontheRISE
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level 1 violations include allowing a player to sleep over at a coaches house after a fight with girlfriend...fellowship of Christian athletes giving a ride to a recruit to a game.
Ok. 13 level 1 violations. make you feel better?
Did the coach know it was a violation to have a player sleep at his house? (how fragile do you have to be to need to sleep at someone else's house after you argue with your GF?). Did the person giving the recruit the ride to the game know it was a violation?
This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:45 pm to bamasgot13
name the other 13
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:48 pm to pankReb
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name the other 13
why?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:49 pm to bamasgot13
because most people on this forum have never even bothered to actually read anything past a headline.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:57 pm to REBSontheRISE
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level 1 violations include allowing a player to sleep over at a coaches house after a fight with girlfriend...fellowship of Christian athletes giving a ride to a recruit to a game.
These are against the rules?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 2:58 pm to pankReb
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because most people on this forum have never even bothered to actually read anything past a headline.
I've read it. There are multiple Level 1's that Ole Miss isn't even disputing. I could look up all 13 "real" Level 1 violations if you'd like, but how's this for an off my head list?
1) Paid Lodging & Transportation for recruits
2) Merchandise (I know, I know. RR is suing)
3) Booster contact & cash to recruits
4) Booster money and food to recruits
5) staff gave false/misleading info to institution & inforcement staff
6) Hugh violated responsibility legislation
7) LOIC/Failure to monitor
I can look up the rest, but if JUST those stick, you're screwed. Also, my questions remain on the other 2 level 1 violations:
Did the coach know it was against the rules for a player to stay at his house?
Did the fellowship of christian athletes person know what they were doing was a violation?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:01 pm to Lacour
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These are against the rules?
apparently so.
The player has already paid that coach what the NCAA says the equivalent to two nights worth of rent($66 total IIRC).
The FCA director had taken the recruit, along with others, to several schools.....including Arkansas State where Hugh Freeze was coaching at the time. Also the FCA Director that the NCAA deems a booster only supports the baseball program and doesn't even have season tickets to Ole Miss football.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:05 pm to Lacour
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These are against the rules?
those may seem odd to be against the rules, but they are against the rules nonetheless...and the coach should have known that for sure. So he either A) didn't have proper education of the rules, or B) knew it was against the rules and did it any way. Either way, that doesn't sound like an atmosphere of compliance.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:09 pm to bamasgot13
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Did the coach know it was against the rules for a player to stay at his house?
All BS about our investigation aside....don't you think that this is bullshite for the NCAA to include as a level 1 infraction? Per the NCAA, the two nights come up to a value of $66. Given the situation, it's a pretty fricking petty thing to deem as a level 1 infraction.
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Did the fellowship of christian athletes person know what they were doing was a violation?
It isn't a violation if it is proven that there is a relationship prior to the recruitment of Ole Miss. He was being recruited by Freeze at ASU and wasn't being recruited by us at all.
Do you still consider that to be a violation?
Remember....the COI is the one that determines if the violation sticks or not. The investigators just find which violations are a possibility.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:13 pm to pankReb
quote:you dont have to buy tickets to be a booster.
Also the FCA Director that the NCAA deems a booster only supports the baseball program and doesn't even have season tickets to Ole Miss football.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:15 pm to NYCAuburn
yes...I am aware of this. I never said that he wasn't considered to be a booster.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:16 pm to pankReb
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All BS about our investigation aside....don't you think that this is bullshite for the NCAA to include as a level 1 infraction?
Absolutely. I think it's ridiculous to make this a Level 1. I'd think of it as a Level 3 or no violation if you'd asked me a year ago about it. I'll never argue that it was nearly as serious as the other stuff.
However, the coach either knew or should have known that it was a violation. That's the issue.
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It isn't a violation if it is proven that there is a relationship prior to the recruitment of Ole Miss.
It's not the relationship prior to his recruitment by Ole Miss. It's the relationship prior to his designation as a recruited athlete. And I'll readily admit I don't know who that student is or what the timeline is on that. If he went to Ark State visit while Freeze was there and ALSO to an Ole Miss visit after Freeze took the job, then you better hope the prior relationship can be proven.
Again, this is one that I wouldn't think you guys should get hit with a level 1 on (it's more 2 or 3 in my mind). Hell, wouldn't bother me if they removed this one completely.
My point is just that if you take all the things you guys AREN'T disputing, then you are in deep. If 1/2 of what you are disputing still sticks, then you are royally screwed. It seems few of the Ole Miss fans on this board are willing to admit that, but as a Bama fan who has lived through the Means thing I can tell you that most of your hopes get dashed when the penalties come down. If the NCAA makes up its mind it wants you, it's going to get you.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:19 pm to pankReb
quote:Someone posted this a few days back. Not sure of its authenticity being as it came from tRant.
name the other 13
Ole Miss in deep poo poo
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:21 pm to BowlJackson
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Allegedly
not what coach34 told me...
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:23 pm to bamasgot13
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However, the coach either knew or should have known that it was a violation. That's the issue.
Ole Miss fans aren't disputing that. Hell, the player has already paid the coach for the two night stay. Our issue is that it's bullshite for this to be considered a level 1.
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It's not the relationship prior to his recruitment by Ole Miss. It's the relationship prior to his designation as a recruited athlete. And I'll readily admit I don't know who that student is or what the timeline is on that. If he went to Ark State visit while Freeze was there and ALSO to an Ole Miss visit after Freeze took the job, then you better hope the prior relationship can be proven.
That's our very point. This guy mentors inner city kids at a young age.
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My point is just that if you take all the things you guys AREN'T disputing, then you are in deep. If 1/2 of what you are disputing still sticks, then you are royally screwed. It seems few of the Ole Miss fans on this board are willing to admit that,
The majority of Ole Miss fans fully realize that we're in deep. Even if Freeze gets cleared of LOIC/FTM, we're still getting hammered. And most Ole Miss fans will tell you that they fully expect the NCAA to tack on a few more scholarships and a couple of games suspension as basically a best case scenario.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 3:30 pm to pankReb
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Ole Miss fans aren't disputing that. Hell, the player has already paid the coach for the two night stay. Our issue is that it's bullshite for this to be considered a level 1.
I agree it's BS to be considered a Level 1 violation, but either the coach knew it was a level 1 violation and did it any way, or he didn't know. Neither of those is a good outcome for getting it reduced/dropped. The coach would/should have had rules education. For a coach to violate a rule that the NCAA considers a Level 1 (even though you and I agree it's BS to consider it such) is a big deal.
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