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re: We don't need 8 teams in the playoff, we need four balanced conferences
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:09 am to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:09 am to BamaGradinTn
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Some play 8 games, the PAC has 9, the Big 12 doesn't have a championship game
So what? How they want to determine their champion is irrelevant. They put their best team up against other conferences best teams.
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and ND and BYU don't want to be in a conference. You can't force universities to do something they don't want to do.
I wouldn't force them to do shite, they don't have to compete for the national title if they don't want to. For decades ND didn't participate in bowl games because they didn't want to. Then, in 1969, they suddenly decided they wanted to and fricked LSU out of a shot at the national title.
Hell, the Globe Trotters didn't participate in a conference, so they didn't get to play for the NBA championship.
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You can't force conferences to dissolve.
Who said anything about dissolving conferences? However, as it stands today, you can force teams out of Div IA.
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:13 am to BamaGradinTn
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I don't.
Well, if you don't restrict the national championship to conference champions, that's exactly what will happen - just like NCAA basketball and baseball.
But then Americans have never been known for foresight.
Your system WILL render the conference chapionships meaningless. I don't know how peoplel can't see this - even with the two glaring examples we have before us in the NCAA.
So congratulations on your meaningless championship, Alabama.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:17 am to cas4t
Look, all of this may make for interesting theoretical debate, but the bottom line is this: Equitable reorganization of the conferences is an impossibility because the bulk of the strong teams will always be in the South...especially the Southeast. In pro sports you have things like salary caps and drafts to help achieve parity. As long as you have warmer weather and a culture in the Southeast that values college football above all other spectator sports...in other words, forever...equitable reorganization isn't possible.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:20 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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So congratulations on your meaningless championship, Alabama.
If you can't grasp the concept that meaningless =/= doesn't mean as much, there's no helping you. $100,000 is a hell of lot of money. Is it meaningless because it isn't worth $1,000,000? An LSU fan still whining about 2011 might want us to think so.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:21 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:No, arguing for wildcards means, simply, you take the 5 conference champs, and then the best 3 remaining teams. That recognizes that some conferences are stronger than others. It has nothing to do with whether there's a conference championship.
Anyone arguing for wild-cards, should be arguing that State should have played Bama last night for the conference championship instead of Mizzou
But yes, this season, if there were 8 teams, I would consider Miss St as a wildcard over Mizzou (although given the Ole Miss loss, they might be looking at 8th). And also, if Mizzou had won last night, I'd consider Alabama.
Alabama- Michigan St (or Cinderella; Marshall or Boise)
Fla St- Miss St
Oregon-TCU
Baylor-Ohio State
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:24 am to Scoob
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Alabama- Michigan St (or Cinderella; Marshall or Boise)
Fla St- Miss St
Oregon-TCU
Baylor-Ohio State
See, this is your problem you'll always have with 8. You have to include at least one team who has no business playing for a national championship.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 11:25 am to BamaGradinTn
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Equitable reorganization of the conferences is an impossibility
WHY IS THIS EVEN AN ISSUE?
Why do we seem to care so much about conference equitablity for determing a national champion, yet we ignore equitability in divisions in determing a conference champion?
Why aren't you consistant?
When the NFC had that 12 year run on the AFC in the Superbowl, were people saying we should just put two NFC teams in the Superbowl?
Why not?
Because the championship is between conference champions - REGARDLESS OF EQUITABLITY BETWEEN CONFERENCES.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 12:27 pm to Scoob
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No, arguing for wildcards means, simply, you take the 5 conference champs, and then the best 3 remaining teams.
That's not an argument, that's just a statement.
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That recognizes that some conferences are stronger than others.
My whole point is that it's inconsistant. Answer this:
Why is it important that some conferences are stronger than others, but it's NOT important that some divisions are stronger than others?
And how about this...?
Why is it important that some conferences are stronger than others in NCAA football, but NOT important that one conference is stronger than another in NFL football?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 12:30 pm to rmftrtr
I like this
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:35 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:Ummm ... you do realize that the NFL has wildcards, right? That it actually does reward teams that have good seasons but don't win their division (divisions in the NFL being equal to conferences in the NCAA). So, you got New Orleans and San Francisco in the playoffs last season, despite neither team winning their division. Which was validated by both teams winning their first round game, and San Fran making it to the conference finals.
Why is it important that some conferences are stronger than others in NCAA football, but NOT important that one conference is stronger than another in NFL football?
quote:Actually, I kinda like the idea of it being Marshall or Boise this year; #8 can be the Cinderella from the non-power conferences. This can give incentives for those programs to continue, uh, playing D-1; while right now, they are told that no way, no how, will they ever be allowed to compete for a title.
Alabama- Michigan St (or Cinderella; Marshall or Boise)
Fla St- Miss St
Oregon-TCU
Baylor-Ohio State
See, this is your problem you'll always have with 8. You have to include at least one team who has no business playing for a national championship.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 1:46 pm to Scoob
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divisions in the NFL being equal to conferences in the NCAA
No they aren't. Divisions are divisions and conferences are conferences. Just because the NFL only has two conferences doesn't mean they aren't conferences. And the only reason they have wildcards is for increaseed revenue - they add nothing with regards to fairness.
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Which was validated by both teams winning their first round game
Not really, just because the NYG beat the Patriots in after the 2007 season doesn't validate anything. It was a fluke, and another reason why not to have wildcards on the playoffs. It was a travesty and just shows that 'champion' doesn't mean 'best team'.
It would just be SO much easier, cleaner, objective, more fair, less controversial and sensible to just have a tournament of champions.
To this point, I have seen NO logical reason not to have an 8-team tournament of conference champions to end the college football season.
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