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Posted on 1/28/15 at 11:47 am to randomways
Posted on 1/28/15 at 11:47 am to randomways
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Such rage. That's exactly the sort of fan reaction that makes people afraid of the consequences of accusing star quarterbacks of rape.
Here's the thing, randomways, you know I agree with you ~90 percent of the time. Hell, we're on the same wave length most of the time and you're one of my favorite posters but I do have to say your original comment warranted criticism but not in the way the FSU poster criticized you -- as soon as he went cleat chaser he devalued any argument he had.
That said, you shouldn't have turned it into 'we did it right but FSU is awful' when you did even though in the most recent cases I agree with you 120% (I just feel it's a discussion all it's own given the recency of the verdict or at one that should be broached a little bit later than it was posted and I'd be with you, maybe even if you'd just waited a few pages in). Timing, my friend, timing.
There's no doubt that how VPD reacted by turning it over to Metro as well as how the program reacted by kicking them off instead of waiting was admirable but it's also the way things *should* be. It's sad we live in a world where too many schools will try to thwart or downplay sexual assault and rape whether they involve football players or just regular students.
I'm proud of how Vandy handled it -- this is my state and I don't want these guys on the street. I'm also proud of how UT handled the Paulk situation (he was kicked off the team instantly for hitting his gf even though charges were never filed) and how the AJ incident has played out even though suspending him was an enormous loss to our team but it's being handled through the proper channels even though neither AJ or Williams had been charged and still haven't been charged or their case even presented to a backlogged grand jury as of yet and a lot of schools would've said, "well until they're charged they can play, especially a guy like AJ." So the two Tennessee schools in the SEC have done well on this but again this is how it should be and probably a conversation that should've been saved until at least more pages into the thread.
Just my two bits.
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Posted on 1/28/15 at 11:56 am to randomways
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I have my doubts about Franklin's innocence in the postmortem, personally, but if the story hasn't gained traction by now, I'm not sure anything that'll stick will ever come out.
This I agree with 100 percent. Franklin was involved, imo, but I don't think it will ever come out and that's a shame. Since we'll never know, I HOPE the close call put the fear of God into him about stuff like this.
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I wouldn't implicate the football team in toto, though. Stupid criminal members don't reflect the team as a whole, any more than the thugs who beat and robbed a kid at Bama do. We're not quite an Urban "50% of my players have been in trouble with the law" Meyer program.
Again I agree. There was a core group that were tight but it was hardly the whole team that participated in either the rape or the coverup.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 11:56 am to Prof
Do the other two guys have pretty much the same charges? Why not try all four at the same time?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:19 pm to crimsonsaint
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Do the other two guys have pretty much the same charges? Why not try all four at the same time?
Brandon Vandenburg and Cory Batey were the main guys - Vandenburg orchestrated the whole thing even telling the others what to do. The other two were not as involved although one (Brandon Banks) is accused of being a more active player than the other (Jaborian "Tip" McKenzie). At some point, the state thought both might be called to testify/testify against the other two. However, either the state or one of the other two changed his mind (likely the state but that is a total guess based on the fact that one participated more while the other only took a photo).
Jaborian "Tip" Mckenzie is the one who did testify and in the meantime he'd been given leave to move out of state which indicates that he was far, far, more trusted by the state than the others. My guess is that he may wind up recieving a plea deal from prosecutors now that he's finished testifying. A few of the charges against Banks may be amended if they feel the case against him (on multiple charges) is weaker, though it seems pretty open and shut for him as well.
Initially, all had the same charges except that Vandenburg had 2 extra for illegal recording and for evidence tampering. Who knows what prosecutors will do now. There's absolutely NO DOUBT that Vandenburg was the ringleader and Batey his worst follower. My main thing, and likely the prosecutors' as well, was getting Vandenburg behind bars - Batey too but Vandenburg was the scalp I most wanted.
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Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:25 pm to Phat Phil
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I had sex with near unconscious girl in college before and I was drunk as well. And it was the first day we met. I'm glad she was cool about it in the next morning. She could have put me away in jail for 20 years if she wanted to which is a scary thought.
Did you take pictures and send it to people, tag other guys to go at it with her while she was out, stick a water bottle where it don't belong, try to destroy any evidence that you had sex with her afterward and claim that she was sick and you took care of her the next day?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 12:27 pm to Big EZ Tiger
^^Exactly. Read some of the lowlights of this case. It's far, far, worse than downplaying it as oh we were both drunk.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 2:19 pm to Prof
I'll grant I was inserting a bit of unnecessary trolling there for the benefit of a particularly annoying FSU poster (not the one who replied to me, though that response was illuminating.) So I get your point. But the FSU clusterfrick is still infuriating enough that if Jimbo was hired at Vandy, I'd literally stop watching games or supporting the VAA. So there was a modicum of sincere disdain for how FSU handled the situation as opposed to how Vandy (in this case) did. And the FSU fan's response is exactly what's wrong with the treatment of victims in college-level athletics. At least in the pros, there's a significantly greater population diversity and less insularity at the city level than at the college campus level. That mitigates the issue somewhat. Winston, otoh, was given practically a free pass on everything he did. Why shouldn't he believe that extended to rape too?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 2:26 pm to BrooksnDunn
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Go frick YOURSELF. you ignorant piece of shite. The deeds these losers were just accused, charged and CONVICTED of is no where near the same ballpark as banging a lying, self-described "cleat chaser". Seriously, go frick yourself.
No. Go frick yourself. Your Football program revolves around a horrible human being while the whole school and community covered up the rape of an innocent girl and kicked her out of town. frick you and I hope jameis gets the same treatment ( meaning brutally raped by savages in prison, everyday), either in this life or in hell.
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Posted on 1/28/15 at 2:27 pm to Prof
Thanks.
Definitely. He's the POS that started it all.
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My main thing, and likely the prosecutors' as well, was getting Vandenburg behind bars - Batey too but Vandenburg was the scalp I most wanted.
Definitely. He's the POS that started it all.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 2:46 pm to tungi01
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Agree 150%!!! I've been plastered beyond belief and the essence of who I am NEVER changed.. If you become violent when your drunk or assault someone then that's who you are inside. Being drunk is or blaming it on the alcohol is coward's way of trying excuse someone's behavior and it's sickening... Hope those a$$clowns meet the booty warrior in prison...
So much this. This Vandenburg guy sounds really f'ed up. Sad story.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:14 pm to skrayper
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Vandy just got a water bottle put inside them by that Georgia biased official
quote:JETigER is a twisted fricker - best to ignore his posts.
WTF is wrong with you?
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:16 pm to randomways
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I'll grant I was inserting a bit of unnecessary trolling there for the benefit of a particularly annoying FSU poster (not the one who replied to me, though that response was illuminating.) So I get your point. But the FSU clusterfrick is still infuriating enough that if Jimbo was hired at Vandy, I'd literally stop watching games or supporting the VAA. So there was a modicum of sincere disdain for how FSU handled the situation as opposed to how Vandy (in this case) did. And the FSU fan's response is exactly what's wrong with the treatment of victims in college-level athletics. At least in the pros, there's a significantly greater population diversity and less insularity at the city level than at the college campus level. That mitigates the issue somewhat. Winston, otoh, was given practically a free pass on everything he did. Why shouldn't he believe that extended to rape too?
I agree with you and understand why you did it now (had no idea it was for the benefit of a troll), I just wish it wasn't a first page kinda thing if that makes sense. I hope it came across in the spirit it was intended which wasn't to bust your balls but just state my opinion and critique in a reasonable manner. Also, his response was fricking disgusting.
Regardless of Winston's guilt or innocence, FSU committed a MASSIVE coverup in every respect from football to TPD. They absolutely prevented a legitimate investigation and that was clear from the public documents released. It was one of the most transparent ones I've ever seen and TBH I hope the feds investigating them under Title IX nail them to the wall. There's no excuse for how football and their campus PD worked together to thwart the investigation. TPD needs a federal review as well, possibly for corruption although with how they did it (discouragement, letting it dwindle and hoping it would die, etc), would be hard as hell to prove. BUT I wouldn't be surprised if there weren't more there. Of course that won't happen.
I'm not even a Titans fan (or a fan of any pro team, fwiw, unless you count super-casual) but if they draft Winston I'm gonna be sick. I don't want him in our state.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:19 pm to skrayper
What this shows Is that it can happen anywhere at any program.
There is a huge difference between what happened at FSU and Vandy. The crimes are not similar.
There is still doubt in my mind about Jameis and the other guys in the room did not participate.
There is a huge difference between what happened at FSU and Vandy. The crimes are not similar.
There is still doubt in my mind about Jameis and the other guys in the room did not participate.
Posted on 1/28/15 at 3:28 pm to Prof
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I agree with you and understand why you did it now (had no idea it was for the benefit of a troll), I just wish it wasn't a first page kinda thing if that makes sense. I hope it came across in the spirit it was intended which wasn't to bust your balls but just state my opinion and critique in a reasonable manner. Also, his response was fricking disgusting.
Oh, not a problem. I was trolling, and turning a very important issue into a "my place is better than yours" was pretty damned inappropriate, all things considered. So I got your point perfectly.
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