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Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:15 pm to
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Vandy lawyers up


Funny, because it's lawyers that will be the one group guaranteed to benefit from this the most.

Not saying it's the lawyers fault (it isn't, it's their client's fault), but lawyers will get paid and their clients (both the "employees" (i.e., college players) and "management" (i.e., universities)) will feel like they got very little to no benefit no matter the actual outcome of the case/vote. Lawyers will get that new Mercedes though.
Posted by All4Qtrs
tCapitol
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 1:33 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted by beatbammer
Member since Sep 2010
38012 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 2:18 pm to
I wonder how much the Northwestern "employees" are going to owe on back-taxes on their earned income (formerly known as scholarships and aid)?

I bet Northwestern's tuition... errrr... I mean "pay" is pretty high.
Posted by AUBorn
Itumpka Youtumpka Wetumpka, AL
Member since Aug 2013
933 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:15 pm to
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Private schools are considered easier targets, at least through the NLRB, which rules on private employers. Public universities are governed by state law
So the real takeaway is that if the union is successful, Vandy, Northwestern, Stanford, USC, etc drop out of the NCAA and we get fewer top division schools, pushing us closer to the day of having 4 big conferences.
Posted by adawgj
Brunswick
Member since Oct 2012
1749 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:21 pm to
You guys are overreacting. What you should be concerned with is why the coaches get paid millions and the players get shite! You could take $500k of Sabans 6mil and distribute back to the players. You are fighting the wrong battles folks.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:57 pm to
Every time I see one of these threads, I am surprised at the lack of mention of Title IX, or the lack of understanding of it even when it is mentioned.

First of all, as it pertains to Title IX, the fact that Vandy is private is irrelevant. They receive federally funded student loans. They cannot be exempt from Title IX.

Second, so what if the Vandy football team unionizes? The fact that they may have formed a union will in no way allow them to reap a benefit that is inequitable under Title IX. For any dollar stipend received, any insurance benefit received, any disability benefit received by Vandy football players, female athletes will receive exactly the same. Title IX is the law of the land, and while the Obama administration may think that they can selectively enforce Obamacare, there is no way in hell that Title IX will ever be set aside just because some underling at the NLRB says that football players can unionize.

Oh, by the way, since Vandy would never drop basketball or baseball, make that a total of about 112 females that would have to get those benefits.

Go on the website of the College Athletes Players Association and you will quickly see that none of these guys are women. Ramogi Huma may be a smart guy, but he's clueless if he believes this:

"Huma also co-authored groundbreaking studies that made national headlines such as “The $6 Billion Heist: Robbing College Athletes Under the Guise of Amateurism”. The study estimates that the fair market value of FBS football and men’s basketball players is approximately $137,000 and $289,000 respectively; and that the NCAA will deny these athletes approximately $6 billion of their fair market value between 2011-15."

The NCAA may deny athletes compensation under the guise of amateurism, but he's a moron if he thinks that the U.S. Department of Education would ever sit still and let college football players and male college basketball players get paid their "market value".
Posted by spacewrangler
In my easy chair with my boots on..
Member since Sep 2009
9745 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:34 pm to
Wouldn't.this help with title 9? No longer a scholarship to be accounted for ,for the womans sport to coattails off of. No law saying you have to hire an equal amount of men vs woman.
Posted by rootisback
Member since Mar 2014
3371 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:40 pm to
I agree -- the chancellors should just eliminate football. Firestone closed several plants years ago when the union was voted in -- I know of one in Albany GA and Bowling Green KY.
I would rather watch DIII with no scholarships than unionized ball.
No good can come of it.
Posted by Mizz-SEC
Inbred Huntin' In The SEC
Member since Jun 2013
19233 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:55 pm to
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What if Chancellors grow a pair and simply eliminate football...or any sport whose team goes to court?


Yeah sure. Too much money being made to go scorched earth.

They'll figure out a way to share.
Posted by ukraine_rebel
North Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
2171 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 6:14 pm to
Keep in mind that if any of this should come to pass, it'll take at least 5-10 years for any of this to come to pass as it will inevitably be held up in court. The current players petitioning will be long gone by then.
Posted by AUX3
Member since Dec 2010
3446 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 7:23 pm to
My son is ten and he wants a cut of the 2$ they charge at his little league games. He says he's taking it to court. What's the difference?
Posted by AUX3
Member since Dec 2010
3446 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 7:25 pm to
Ahh man, his coach just revoked his invite on the travel team.
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 7:30 pm to
In the old days troublemakers like Colter would just wind up finding untimely deaths due to complications of union organizing. If only this were 1900...
Posted by NorthGwinnettTiger
Member since Jun 2006
51818 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 7:46 pm to
Holeee frick
Posted by sportsaddit68
Hammond
Member since Sep 2008
5838 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 7:55 pm to
I also think it is only a matter of time before the women athletes sue because the boys are getting paid.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54622 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:06 pm to
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IRS is going to tax the hell out of those kids.


That is just the start

State tax
City tax
County tax
Social Security tax (an possibly no matching funds from employer)
School tax
Sales tax (merchandise)

Lawyers will take a hefty bite
Unions will take a big bite as well
Mandatory insurance to play so Big Insurance can get even bigger
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:08 pm to
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spacewrangler
Vandy lawyers up
Wouldn't.this help with title 9? No longer a scholarship to be accounted for ,for the womans sport to coattails off of. No law saying you have to hire an equal amount of men vs woman.


You don't understand the law and the individual department that enforces it. These guys can call themselves employees until they're blue in the face. It doesn't matter. The U.S. Department of Education...the federal department that enforces Title IX...says that they're students. Period. End of discussion. Doesn't matter what some guy at the NLRB says. The U.S. Department of Labor doesn't give a dime to universities. The Department of Education gives mammoth piles of it. And they say that if the universities want to keep getting those massive amounts of cash, male and female students...including students that play sports...have to have the same opportunities and benefits.

Some guy at the NLRB has probably never even heard of Title IX. Has no clue what it says...because it isn't relevant to his job and his area of enforcement. He deals with labor issues. Title IX is an education issue...and yeah, as long as these football players are enrolled in classes, that makes them subject to Title IX.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 8:14 pm
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
26956 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:11 pm to
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I also think it is only a matter of time before the women athletes sue because the boys are getting paid.


Which is why it would never get to that point, because every educator on every college campus knows that paying the boys and not paying the girls would be just about the most blatantly illegal thing a university could do.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
Member since Apr 2012
54622 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:15 pm to
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Vandy lawyers up


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Vanderbilt athletics has consulted with its lawyers about the dynamics of a union


So the Yakuza and Triads will now run Vandy Football?
Posted by meansonny
ATL
Member since Sep 2012
25569 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 8:19 pm to
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You don't understand the law and the individual department that enforces it. These guys can call themselves employees until they're blue in the face. It doesn't matter. The U.S. Department of Education...the federal department that enforces Title IX...says that they're students. Period. End of discussion. Doesn't matter what some guy at the NLRB says. The U.S. Department of Labor doesn't give a dime to universities. The Department of Education gives mammoth piles of it. And they say that if the universities want to keep getting those massive amounts of cash, male and female students...including students that play sports...have to have the same opportunities and benefits.

Some guy at the NLRB has probably never even heard of Title IX. Has no clue what it says...because it isn't relevant to his job and his area of enforcement. He deals with labor issues. Title IX is an education issue...and yeah, as long as these football players are enrolled in classes, that makes them subject to Title IX.


I agree.

There is also the separation between employing players and NCAA eligibility rules (NLRB doesn't understand this, either)

Wouldn't it be funny for Northwestern to have to forfeit all of their games and lose scholarships because the players unionized?
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