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re: Vandy isn't the dominant program in Tennessee, BUT!
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:20 am to VFL1800FPD
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:20 am to VFL1800FPD
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I remembered it because I was on vn reading that thread and them I immediately hopped over to the rant and it just so happened a vandy fan made a comment that they were pulling in 3 and 4 stars instead of 2 and three stars. What the hell is your problem? We cheer on the same team
I don't have a problem with you although I was giving you a hard time. It just doesn't make sense to me that anyone would bother keeping up with Vandy recruits unless those recruits are also being recruited by us. If you hopped from one to the other then it makes some sense to bring it up but that wasn't clear from what you were saying. I didn't mean to bust your balls - my intention was to give you a hard time over something I found amusing but not to the point of being taken too seriously. I apologize for being too hard on you/unclear.
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:29 am to Prof
I see. It was just funny, I was on vn reading about this new 2* vandy recruit, and his offer list. And then Two clicks later and I read a post in the rant saying vandy will no longer have to rely on two or three stars. :cheers
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:40 am to VFL1800FPD
I gotcha and I probably should've paid more attention to that aspect of what you were saying instead of going for the ribbing. I swear this offseason is gonna be the death of me.
As to the recruiting issues, it's gonna be a problem for them until and unless Mason finds some SEC recruiters. He doesn't have the personality of Franklin, and though I never trusted Franklin of cared for his personality, that kind of personality did appeal to some recruits. So far Mason seems a low key sort of guy with a much more reserved personality. If he wants bigger recruits he's gonna have to find a way to market himself and Vandy the same as any other coach/program does but at Vandy he's gonna have to work even harder than most to be able to do that.
As to the recruiting issues, it's gonna be a problem for them until and unless Mason finds some SEC recruiters. He doesn't have the personality of Franklin, and though I never trusted Franklin of cared for his personality, that kind of personality did appeal to some recruits. So far Mason seems a low key sort of guy with a much more reserved personality. If he wants bigger recruits he's gonna have to find a way to market himself and Vandy the same as any other coach/program does but at Vandy he's gonna have to work even harder than most to be able to do that.
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 2:19 am to VFL1800FPD
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I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that. UT is not in a apposition where we have to "catch up" to vandy. We are the better football program. That is a fact. 2 wins does not change that. I'm not trying to downplay y'all's wins against us. It is no small feat, and we certainly had it coming, but we are in a slump, and vandy is nearing the end of one of their best periods in history. I just dont think vandy has the AD, resources, fan base and recruiting advantages (this includes vandys more strenuous admission standards) to sustain themselves and compare to UT in the long term. I think they've had a perfect storm recently which has led to their recent success, but I believe this situation will prove to be the exception, rather than the norm. Vandy will field good teams every once in a while (like the jay cutler era) but I think it's gonna be back to the days of UT having huge streaks again relatively soon. This is all my opinion of course
I've been recently pondering an interesting aspect of modern football and, while I have yet to decide on a thorough formulation of my thoughts, I have come to the conclusion that Tennessee might need to worry more than y'all think. It's my premise that modern technology and the pervasiveness of academic support programs and specialized classes are leading to more parity between the traditionally weaker "highly-ranked academics" schools and the larger public ones. Stanford is a legitimate football power now. Northwestern has been been steadily growing into a respectable football program, Vandy has done pretty well for itself lately, and even Duke has shown marked improvement. Mind you, I'm quite aware all of these examples can be attributed to good coaching hires, but it seems to be a rather massive coincidence that they all managed it around the same time. That suggests a broader reason that includes coaching but also betokens a deeper sea change. My theories are, as of yet, nascent, but I've already started to hypothesize that the Internet Age and the pervasiveness of avenues for scholastic improvement for high school athletes are making it easier for these schools to find decent recruits that can both gain admission and hack the coursework. If I am correct, then the ascendance may not be nearly as predictably temporary as you might hope.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 3:25 am to randomways
I think it's interesting they have all arisen and/or re-arisen at the same time (let's not forget Northwestern had some good teams in the past) but I'm not certain about the reasons why. Duke has always been a basketball school and had no trouble admitting players that there's no way would pass normal admissions and that's not a special thing. Even though it's a well kept secret, Stanford, NW, Duke, Vandy, all use special admits just like every other school in the country - there's only 7 schools who have no formal special admit policy and none of them are who you might think and not having a special admit policy doesn't necessarily mean they're not using special admits (they're just using it differently). However, special admits aren't exclusive to athletes and are used for many reasons.
Many schools have special admits for rich students: LINK
The reason for all of this is that admissions isn't a cut and dried kinda thing and it never will be. Admissions is arbitrary so arbitrary that I've seen professors write notes and boom a student was in grad school.
Many schools have special admits for rich students: LINK
The reason for all of this is that admissions isn't a cut and dried kinda thing and it never will be. Admissions is arbitrary so arbitrary that I've seen professors write notes and boom a student was in grad school.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 5:51 am to geauxnavybeatbama
I doubt it is much longer before the rocky top buttchuggers wake up and put that puke inside of a pumpkin orange back into relevance
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:02 am to VFL1800FPD
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VFL1800FPD
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Prof
Cut that Vol on Vol crime shite out.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 9:08 am to geauxnavybeatbama
Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:01 am to VFL1800FPD
quote:Is that any different than y'all taking a commit on 6/17 who was offered by Tenn. St., Samford, Mercer, Austin Peay, Charleston Southern, Chattanooga & Memphis??...
Y'all just took a commitment from a 2* TE whose offer list was Youngstown state, mercer, Davidson, Air Force, and Yale.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 10:05 am
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:00 am to dallasga6
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Is that any different than y'all taking a commit on 6/17 who was offered by Tenn. St., Samford, Mercer, Austin Peay, Charleston Southern, Chattanooga & Memphis??...
I'm assuming you're talking about Joquez Bruce. He's one of those local guys that we have to bring in one or two of every year to keep the hometown guys happy. Apparently he went to a camp and was one of those guys who tried really hard but just wasn't up to Par with the rest of them. Butch told him to come back to another camp and show improvement and maybe we'll talk. The kid came back to the next camp and had shaved a lot of time of his forty (he ran three straight 4.5 ) and improved his other measurable And Butch offered him on the spot. He has a great attitude, and has wanted to be a vol his whole life. Butch loves these kinds of pLayers and you will see two or three of them every year. They're our hopeful "diamonds in the rough, and they bring a great attitude to the team and work their butts off. Still though I agree his offer list is meh, but who knows how he'll turn out.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:20 am to Prof
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Many schools have special admits for rich students: LINK
If you are not an underrepresented minority and your parents are not rich.. sucks to be you. Some things in the admission process has nothing to do with academics it seems. I know some schools also defer applicants that are "too" overqualified in order to make their yield look better because they belief that applicant isn't going to come to the school anyway.
LINK
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:19 pm to Prof
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I think it's interesting they have all arisen and/or re-arisen at the same time (let's not forget Northwestern had some good teams in the past) but I'm not certain about the reasons why. Duke has always been a basketball school and had no trouble admitting players that there's no way would pass normal admissions and that's not a special thing. Even though it's a well kept secret, Stanford, NW, Duke, Vandy, all use special admits just like every other school in the country - there's only 7 schools who have no formal special admit policy and none of them are who you might think and not having a special admit policy doesn't necessarily mean they're not using special admits (they're just using it differently). However, special admits aren't exclusive to athletes and are used for many reasons.
Many schools have special admits for rich students: LINK
The reason for all of this is that admissions isn't a cut and dried kinda thing and it never will be. Admissions is arbitrary so arbitrary that I've seen professors write notes and boom a student was in grad school.
Oh yeah, schools like Duke and Vandy definitely stretch the admissions rules when admitting players from the money sports. I mean, there's a basic standard all players have to maintain regardless of school, and some schools are more difficult to hack than others, but with the academic support system in place at pretty much any major university, even marginal students can get by if they really want to.
As I said, my theory is half-formed, but, in a way, that kind of speaks to it. In times past, there wasn't nearly the academic and informational support at both the high school and college level that there is now, so that makes it easier for tough schools to bring in players they might not otherwise have recruited in the past. This is especially true for football, where the number of players and need for resources are so large that it really required a far more substantial network than basketball, with fewer players and, let's face it, slightly fewer meatheads.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:21 pm to VFL1800FPD
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Arkansas guy, you are a fan of one of the two SEC teams that UT legitimately can talk shite to.
The other one?
Posted on 6/24/14 at 6:31 pm to cardboardboxer
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The other one?
One assumes he means Kentucky. It actually took me a second to remember them too.
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