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re: Vandy isn't the dominant program in Tennessee, BUT!
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:27 pm to DoreonthePlains
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:27 pm to DoreonthePlains
We had Derek Dooley on charge of all the important stuff your mentioned. Now we don't. Y'all had jimmy frank in charge of all the important stuff you mentioned. Now you don't. I completely agree with the point you're making, by the way, but in my opinion the talent gap issue has become a lot more difficult for y'all to overcome now that our coaching staffs have been "equalized" per se. And for the record I'm considering butch a step up from Dooley (obviously) and mason a step down from franklin at this point (first year coaching in the SEC, etc.)
I recognize that recruiting rankings are not the end all be all, but it certainly shows a relationship when all of the natty winners over the past few decades have consistently landed top classes. So what I'm saying, I guess, is that talent is not the only thing you need, but it is certainly not something to disregard.
I recognize that recruiting rankings are not the end all be all, but it certainly shows a relationship when all of the natty winners over the past few decades have consistently landed top classes. So what I'm saying, I guess, is that talent is not the only thing you need, but it is certainly not something to disregard.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 10:35 pm
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:32 pm to VFL1800FPD
And I'm not saying UT won't catch up or even be better than Vandy. However, I don't think it'll be back to the "status quo". I think it's headed for real rivalry, especially where the more academically inclined institutions like Stanford, Vanderbilt, and Northwestern are starting to make strides.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:33 pm to geauxnavybeatbama
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Both are the same in football right now
Wut
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:39 pm to DoreonthePlains
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that. UT is not in a apposition where we have to "catch up" to vandy. We are the better football program. That is a fact. 2 wins does not change that. I'm not trying to downplay y'all's wins against us. It is no small feat, and we certainly had it coming, but we are in a slump, and vandy is nearing the end of one of their best periods in history. I just dont think vandy has the AD, resources, fan base and recruiting advantages (this includes vandys more strenuous admission standards) to sustain themselves and compare to UT in the long term. I think they've had a perfect storm recently which has led to their recent success, but I believe this situation will prove to be the exception, rather than the norm. Vandy will field good teams every once in a while (like the jay cutler era) but I think it's gonna be back to the days of UT having huge streaks again relatively soon. This is all my opinion of course
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 10:44 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:42 pm to VFL1800FPD
I think we 100% have the right AD. David Williams is the man. He has made some stellar hires and made some stellar moves to get things done for the department.
As for the resources and recruiting advantage, we'll have to see. It's possible UT finds their form, but Vandy was hoping for diamonds in the rough from 3 or 2 star recruits. Now, we're hoping for overachieving 3 and low 4 star guys.
ETA: Okay, you gotta stop editing while I retort.
But seriously, right now, UT DOES have catching up to do as a TEAM. The UT program is better. I can't argue that because you all have national titles. How many can be argued about, but you have them while we don't. However, it doesn't mean your team, or even if you want to say program over the last few years, does not have some catching up to do.
As for the resources and recruiting advantage, we'll have to see. It's possible UT finds their form, but Vandy was hoping for diamonds in the rough from 3 or 2 star recruits. Now, we're hoping for overachieving 3 and low 4 star guys.
ETA: Okay, you gotta stop editing while I retort.
But seriously, right now, UT DOES have catching up to do as a TEAM. The UT program is better. I can't argue that because you all have national titles. How many can be argued about, but you have them while we don't. However, it doesn't mean your team, or even if you want to say program over the last few years, does not have some catching up to do.
This post was edited on 6/23/14 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:43 pm to jb4
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Basketball VANDY
Lol wut
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:46 pm to DoreonthePlains
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Now, we're hoping for overachieving 3 and low 4 star guys
Y'all just took a commitment from a 2* TE whose offer list was Youngstown state, mercer, Davidson, Air Force, and Yale.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:46 pm to VFL1800FPD
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Y'all just took a commitment from a 2* TE whose offer list was Youngstown state, mercer, Davidson, Air Force, and Yale.
Why do you know that?
Posted on 6/23/14 at 10:49 pm to volfan30
Honestly I was just on volnation and there's a thread bashing vandy and someone posted that. I would have had no idea otherwise.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 11:00 pm to VFL1800FPD
As a vol fan I will say volnation has become pathetic concerning Vandy. Less so since Franklin left but it was ridiculous how everyone got their panties in a wad about the commodes for a while.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 11:01 pm to rockytop627
Volnation is a cesspool.
Posted on 6/23/14 at 11:12 pm to volfan30
I think it's fun. I just go there for info. I don't really post much
Posted on 6/23/14 at 11:35 pm to VFL1800FPD
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Y'all just took a commitment from a 2* TE whose offer list was Youngstown state, mercer, Davidson, Air Force, and Yale.
Ok, and? I didn't say our class was all 3 and 4 star guys. I said we aren't relying on 2 star guys. However, Jordan Matthews only had 2 stars. Maybe Dobbs (the 2* TE he's talking about) has not been fully evaluated by Rivals or 247. Maybe the coaches see something the scouting services don't. Either way, I doubt he's someone Mason is banking on being a star.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:01 am to DoreonthePlains
If you use 247 where all of VUs commits have been ranks they all are 3 or 4 stars. The TE you referenced is rated ahead of Kyle Oliver and TE commitments to USCe, Mizzou, UF & LSU
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:25 am to DoreonthePlains
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But seriously, right now, UT DOES have catching up to do as a TEAM. The UT program is better. I can't argue that because you all have national titles. How many can be argued about, but you have them while we don't. However, it doesn't mean your team, or even if you want to say program over the last few years, does not have some catching up to do.
Good points. UT has a better program, no doubt. Facilities, recruiting, history, etc. but yes Ut's team does have catching up to do at the moment, obviously after the first two in a row loss for a long long time. But I believe the evidence is there that we are on the upswing. And vandy will face at least a one year setback due to franklins issues he created and a new coach. Not saying that is a permanent sentence to mediocrity, but I believe this year UT will begin to set the state of Tennessee order back to where it should be.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:29 am to Dore5674
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Posted by Dore5674 If you use 247 where all of VUs commits have been ranks they all are 3 or 4 stars. The TE you referenced is rated ahead of Kyle Oliver and TE commitments to USCe, Mizzou, UF & LSU
Like I said, I got my info from a vol poster on a vol site, so I'm not sure which site he used to get the star rating, but his offer list remains very weak.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:35 am to VFL1800FPD
I don't see anything about Vandy taking a 2* TE let alone that kind of detailed info. on Volnation.
I know some Middle TN area fans are a bit Vandysessed (they got crazy on VN for a while and annoyed everyone else to death) but come on. Keeping up with Vandy recruits and knowing their offers?! Even most recruitniks don't pay attention to Bama, UGA, UF etc. recruits unless they're also a target of ours.
I know some Middle TN area fans are a bit Vandysessed (they got crazy on VN for a while and annoyed everyone else to death) but come on. Keeping up with Vandy recruits and knowing their offers?! Even most recruitniks don't pay attention to Bama, UGA, UF etc. recruits unless they're also a target of ours.
Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:58 am to Prof
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I don't see anything about Vandy taking a 2* TE let alone that kind of detailed info. on Volnation. I know some Middle TN area fans are a bit Vandysessed (they got crazy on VN for a while and annoyed everyone else to death) but come on. Keeping up with Vandy recruits and knowing their offers?! Even most recruitniks don't pay attention to Bama, UGA, UF etc. recruits unless they're also a target of ours.
Here's the link to the VN thread where I found that info. 11th post from the top
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This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 1:03 am
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:04 am to VFL1800FPD
So you got it from a Nashville centric thread about some guy and his friend debating the fan makeup of Nashville, specifically another poster who chimed in to that thread to mention some TE and who says he got the offer list from Vandymania? And you remembered the post/offer list in detail? Dude, that doesn't exactly help - it just tells me some Middle TN folks can't help themselves and are still living in a different world.
I couldn't tell you the offer list (beyond a few schools that are directly in the race with us) of recruits I'm personally obsessed with landing. I sure as hell can't list this guy's offer list even though you just listed it.
I couldn't tell you the offer list (beyond a few schools that are directly in the race with us) of recruits I'm personally obsessed with landing. I sure as hell can't list this guy's offer list even though you just listed it.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 1:17 am
Posted on 6/24/14 at 1:16 am to Prof
I remembered it because I was on vn reading that thread and them I immediately hopped over to the rant and it just so happened a vandy fan made a comment that they were pulling in 3 and 4 stars instead of 2 and three stars. What the hell is your problem? We cheer on the same team
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 1:21 am
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