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Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:11 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:11 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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2. Vanderbilt is above average to good at a lot of sports, just not football. Also the most academically rigorous
are chemistry, economics, etc tougher programs at Vandy than other schools? Because it is the exact same subject matter.
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Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:18 pm to Jamie Lannister
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are chemistry, economics, etc tougher programs at Vandy than other schools? Because it is the exact same subject matter.
I took a semester of chemistry at Vandy, my alma mater, and also took a summer school semester of chemistry at Mizzou, which is in my hometown.
My experience:
* The Vandy chem course was tougher for me to learn, more comprehensive.
* The competition, grading-wise, was much fiercer at Vandy than at Mizzou. My grade for the Mizzou course was significantly higher, and I didn't somehow get smarter during the summer or anything.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:20 pm to Jamie Lannister
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chemistry, economics, etc tougher programs at Vandy than other schools? Because it is the exact same subject matter.
Take econ at your local 2 year community college down the street and take it at vandy and tell me they're the same thing.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:28 pm to WG_Dawg
it is the same subject and there are good professors at 2 year schools most of which are actually 4 year schools with some 2 year programs.
but I was talking about other 4 year schools.
Vandy is a selective school because it is small school and not required to take certain percentage of in state students. but selectivity, high school students with higher GPAs doesn't mean the quality of education is better.
many of the intelligent students at my high school were only at 3.0 GPA but they did better in college than many of the students near 4.0.
but I was talking about other 4 year schools.
Vandy is a selective school because it is small school and not required to take certain percentage of in state students. but selectivity, high school students with higher GPAs doesn't mean the quality of education is better.
many of the intelligent students at my high school were only at 3.0 GPA but they did better in college than many of the students near 4.0.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:35 pm to therick711
Vanderbilt's value lies in it being the only private institution in the conference. The conference catches enormous breaks in terms of public records by having Vandy. They aren't going anywhere.
Every one of the Big five conferences has at least one private school. Can't recall the specifics, but this is advantageous to the conference office.
People pick on Vandy, but the Big 10 has Northwestern and the ACC has Wake Forest. They keep them around for a reason. I would add Baylor, but they seem to have turned things around.
It's hard to recruit 300# linemen. They're rare. Speedy receivers/defensive backs are more numerous.
Every one of the Big five conferences has at least one private school. Can't recall the specifics, but this is advantageous to the conference office.
People pick on Vandy, but the Big 10 has Northwestern and the ACC has Wake Forest. They keep them around for a reason. I would add Baylor, but they seem to have turned things around.
It's hard to recruit 300# linemen. They're rare. Speedy receivers/defensive backs are more numerous.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 3:40 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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I took a semester of chemistry at Vandy, my alma mater, and also took a summer school semester of chemistry at Mizzou, which is in my hometown. My experience: * The Vandy chem course was tougher for me to learn, more comprehensive. * The competition, grading-wise, was much fiercer at Vandy than at Mizzou. My grade for the Mizzou course was significantly higher, and I didn't somehow get smarter during the summer or anything.
if you go on college review websites, you'll find some Vandy students and alumni say it is overrated, etc.
There students at colleges who don't like certain professors that are popular with a majority of students. So this kind of stuff is largely based on each person's personality and perception.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 9/4/15 at 4:00 pm to Jamie Lannister
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if you go on college review websites, you'll find some Vandy students and alumni say it is overrated, etc.
There students at colleges who don't like certain professors that are popular with a majority of students. So this kind of stuff is largely based on each person's personality and perception.
I will agree with you in a sense, in that one can only go by one's own experience. I gave you mine. You seem to suggest that my experience should be negated by college review websites saying Vandy is overrated, but that doesn't change the particular experience I had.
When I was in law school I was in a study group with a Cornell grad and a Texas A&M grad. The longer we studied and quizzed each other the more blatantly clear it became that the A&M grad was far sharper and a much better student than the Cornell grad.
I had another friend in law school who'd been accepted to Yale out of high school, but went to a local Mississippi junior college and then to Mississippi State (insert redundancy joke here) instead because that is where all his friends went.
So one can find students who are products of various SEC state schools who are actually better in their particular fields than graduates of some Ivy League schools, let alone Vandy. Likewise I'm sure there are individual professors, individual courses etc at certain large state schools that are better by consensus.
Overall, though, having gone through it I was extremely impressed with Vandy's liberal arts curriculum. It was just my experience, but I felt a palpable difference when I took courses at Mizzou on the same subject matter. As a Columbia MO native and strong Mizzou fan and homer, I didn't want to, as I actually wanted to see that Mizzou was a great school in its own right. It is, but my experience was that Vandy was both more comprehensive and more competitive.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 4:11 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Good employers hire Miss State engineers at Stennis Space center, oil companies in Texas, etc.
You are beating up on a college simply because it is MS. That really demonstrates a lack of critical thinking skills.
People who say Vandy is better than other schools are engaged in marketing because there is no way to prove that. I don't believe things that can't be proved. I think you suffer from confirmation bias, you've always heard Vandy was better, and so you don't really see the cons.
As far as liberal arts goes, I can't see why anybody would want to pay much more to get a liberal arts degree b/c in general they don't pay that much.
You are beating up on a college simply because it is MS. That really demonstrates a lack of critical thinking skills.
People who say Vandy is better than other schools are engaged in marketing because there is no way to prove that. I don't believe things that can't be proved. I think you suffer from confirmation bias, you've always heard Vandy was better, and so you don't really see the cons.
As far as liberal arts goes, I can't see why anybody would want to pay much more to get a liberal arts degree b/c in general they don't pay that much.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 4:18 pm to Jamie Lannister
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if you go on college review websites, you'll find some Vandy students and alumni say it is overrated, etc.
There students at colleges who don't like certain professors that are popular with a majority of students. So this kind of stuff is largely based on each person's personality and perception.
I agree on undergraduate degrees, but the admission requirements directly influence the admission to graduate studies. I see what you're saying. A 4.0 here is the same as 4.0 anywhere else. Pejorative argument.
UGA at one time had no engineering, sans biological/chemical. There was no medical degree.
They are changing this and I support it wholeheartedly. It's competitive.
Emory proved it. Rice proved it. Hell as much as I hate to admit it...GT proved it.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 4:20 pm to Jamie Lannister
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You are beating up on a college simply because it is MS. That really demonstrates a lack of critical thinking skills.
I think you demonstrate a lack of sense of humor my friend. I just got through complimenting an MSU grad on being on par with Yalies, and you focus on the negative. It was a joke. Lighten up. I spent the first three paragraphs talking about the fact that schools like MSU and A&M can produce graduates who are more capable than Ivy Leaguers.
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I think you suffer from confirmation bias, you've always heard Vandy was better, and so you don't really see the cons.
I suffer from telling you my experience. I can repeat it for you if you'd like. I'm from Columbia MO and am a diehard Mizzou homer, still am. Believe me, the only "confirmation bias" I would have would be tilted toward wanting to believe Mizzou is just as academically rigrous and competitive as Vandy in all courses and subject matters. The particular experience I had, directly from taking a course at Vandy followed by a course in the same subject area at Mizzou, was the opposite of that. That's not confirmation bias, that's just the experience I flat out had.
I'm doing quite alright salary-wise with my liberal arts degree from Vandy. I can't speak for others, but this colored graph is fun and pretty to look at. I give it as much credence as the random reviews on websites that you vaguely allude to.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 9/4/15 at 4:58 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
Vanderbilt's value is in who you brush shoulders with. Competitive 4.0+ kids from highschool, many from wealthy families, some just born hard workers.
I work at an industry leader far out of SEC territory. Very young employees. Recruits all majors. Cornell, Wash U, Notre Dame, Duke, Vanderbilt are the most represented schools. Very highly recruited. Then state schools, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin. A bit of SEC, some Georgia, some Mizzou, Some A&M, but sure as frick not Clemson.
I work at an industry leader far out of SEC territory. Very young employees. Recruits all majors. Cornell, Wash U, Notre Dame, Duke, Vanderbilt are the most represented schools. Very highly recruited. Then state schools, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin. A bit of SEC, some Georgia, some Mizzou, Some A&M, but sure as frick not Clemson.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 9/4/15 at 5:02 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
I'll admit. I wanted to go to GT.
Couldn't get in because of the international "competition".
"When you say that the difference between state/private school curriculum is paraphrased "minute", it has no substance, it has no advantage.
You are bloviating.
Couldn't get in because of the international "competition".
"When you say that the difference between state/private school curriculum is paraphrased "minute", it has no substance, it has no advantage.
You are bloviating.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 5:05 pm to Jamie Lannister
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it is the same subject and there are good professors at 2 year schools most of which are actually 4 year schools with some 2 year programs. but I was talking about other 4 year schools. Vandy is a selective school because it is small school and not required to take certain percentage of in state students. but selectivity, high school students with higher GPAs doesn't mean the quality of education is better. many of the intelligent students at my high school were only at 3.0 GPA but they did better in college than many of the students near 4.0.
Take your tired little brother bullshite elsewhere. No one here gives a shite about Clemson. It's not in the SEC.
Apparently you have a giant inferiority complex. Your school is not academically prestigious and not in the SEC. Deal with it
Posted on 9/4/15 at 5:33 pm to VUCAP2
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anderbilt's value is in who you brush shoulders with. Competitive 4.0+ kids from highschool, many from wealthy families, some just born hard workers.
I work at an industry leader far out of SEC territory. Very young employees. Recruits all majors. Cornell, Wash U, Notre Dame, Duke, Vanderbilt are the most represented schools. Very highly recruited. Then state schools, Michigan, Virginia, Wisconsin. A bit of SEC, some Georgia, some Mizzou, Some A&M, but sure as frick not Clemson.
so it is a silver spooner rich kid school. got it.
i think enginers who graduate from Clemson probably can roll with the liberal arts grads at Vandy.
You never talked about what industry you are in. If you are not in engineering, you probably have no idea how employers view the various schools.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 5:40 pm to Grovewater
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Vanderbilt can't be removed from the conference
You can remove them if you can pry them from my cold dead hands.
I may get scrooster to help me too.
Hell, what do you want to remove next, my guns or my corn likker?
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until they start putting even minimal effort into giving us something back.
Vanderbilt is mother to us all, without Dr Dudley and Vanderbilt there would be no SEC. If you are too damn dumb to not know the rich history that intertwines Vandy with all the tasty goodness that is the SEC you are just too damn dumb for me to sit down and explain it all.
May your future posts draw a permaban and may the fleas of 1,000 camels infest your armpits.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 5:41 pm to REG861
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Take your tired little brother bull shite elsewhere. No one here gives a shite about Clemson. It's not in the SEC.
Apparently you have a giant inferiority complex. Your school is not academically prestigious and not in the SEC. Deal with it
you can search for Clemson mentions on here, the majority of the mentions are not posted by me, and I dont start new Clemson threads. So *some* people on here do talk about Clemson, even if they don't care. You are the one forcing Clemson into this thread. I never brought it up.
I never said you should care about Clemson, or that I want Clemson to be in the SEC. That is a false premise based on incorrect inferences you have made.
I don't think Clemson is little brother to Vandy in sports or academics.
This post was edited on 9/4/15 at 5:44 pm
Posted on 9/4/15 at 5:54 pm to Jamie Lannister
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I don't think Clemson is little brother to Vandy in sports or academics.
I know you are a Tater and are a little slow, but…
Sports
Vanderbilt has a dozen conference championships in football before you were born.
Taters football began life as the poop from Auburn's backside.
Clemson has 3 NCAA championships : 2 in soccer from the 1980's and 1 in golf in 2003
Vanderbilt has 3 NCAA championships in the past decade including a CWS last year.
Academics
Vanderbilt is an AAU university and sits at # 34 in the ARWU (US schools only list)
Clempson is NOT an AAU university and sits at # 146 in the ARWU (US schools only list)
If this helps, you in state big brother in Columbia is #79
Posted on 9/4/15 at 5:56 pm to Mizzou Fan in Da ATX
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I took a semester of chemistry at Vandy, my alma mater
If you are ever in Nashville and Mizzou plays Dores in baseball let me know. If you can stand sitting with me I might treat you to a game.
Posted on 9/4/15 at 6:12 pm to Cheese Grits
I have to ask, how old are you Jamie Lannister? If it was many years ago that you applied, well then welcome to the world of competitive colleges
Posted on 9/4/15 at 6:16 pm to VUCAP2
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I have to ask, how old are you Jamie Lannister?
Scrooster thinks he really is a Tater, I think he is a Hog or Tiger alter.
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