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re: Updated Heisman odds
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:52 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:52 pm to Buckeye06
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Not sure I agree. Zeke already averages more per carry and has more total yards (receiving included).
He's played well, but who has he played. Never mind where they are currently ranked. I'll give OSU credit for playing a team ranked at the time of the game. OSU has played ONE team ranked in top 10 at the time of the game in the last 34 regular season games. ONE. Meanwhile, Henry has faced 3 such teams this year alone.
Again, Zeke is a great back and he may play incredibly well these next three weeks, but it will absolutely take that to win the Heisman. he's not getting it based on body of work against current competition.
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Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:53 pm to bamasgot13
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He's played well, but who has he played. Never mind where they are currently ranked. I'll give OSU credit for playing a team ranked at the time of the game. OSU has played ONE team ranked in top 10 at the time of the game in the last 34 regular season games. ONE. Meanwhile, Henry has faced 3 such teams this year alone. Again, Zeke is a great back and he may play incredibly well these next three weeks, but it will absolutely take that to win the Heisman. he's not getting it based on body of work against current competition.
Oh I agree, and I think he needs to go for 450 over the next 3 games to be there and potentially win it
Posted on 11/16/15 at 3:54 pm to lsupride87
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Henry 146yds/ game 6.25 YPC
LF 172yds/game 6.92 YPC
Elliot 144 yds/game 6.35 YPC
Now do a deeper dive and see where those yards came from. How did LF do when it mattered most against the best 2-3 teams he played? how did Henry do in those same situations? How about Zeke?
I like LF. Seems like an awesome person and a great player, but being non-factors in games where his team gets beat by double digits while the opposing running backS (2 backs on Bama and 1 - almost 2- on Arky) outrushed him in those games is not a Heisman trophy winning performance. I don't care what he did against Syracuse and Western Michigan. What did he do against the big boys?
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 3:59 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:01 pm to bamasgot13
quote:I dont disagree in principle. But judging by Heisman past, if you have a sizable lead in overall stats it does matter. Look at RG3 and Andre Ware. And IMHO over 30 yards more a game and .7 YPC is pretty sizable.
like LF. Seems like an awesome person and a great player, but being non-factors in games where his team gets beat by double digits while the opposing running backS (2 backs on Bama and 1 - almost 2- on Arky) outrushed him in those games is not a Heisman trophy winning performance. I don't care what he did against Syracuse and Western Michigan. What did he do against the big boys?
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:08 pm to lsupride87
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Look at RG3 and Andre Ware
Incomparable to LF's situation. Both of those QBs played on teams that are historically well below LSU's level and those QBs elevated their teams to historic heights (for those programs). Those QBs also played WITH less talent than LF plays with.
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But judging by Heisman past, if you have a sizable lead in overall stats it does matter.
Also not true.
Toby Gerhart in 2009: 1,736 yards and scored 26 TDs
Mark Ingram in 2009: 1,542 yards and 18 TDs
Caliber of competition and how you play in big games (Ingram had 100+ yards and 3 TDs in SEC Championship) matters a great deal.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:08 pm to JuiceTerry
I think if Fournette breaks Herschels single season rushing record convincingly,by more than 50 yards, he gets it. He needs 417 yds to tie. If our lazy arse OL will get off their butts and at least attempt to block he can get that in the next 2 games.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:11 pm to bamasgot13
quote:Ingram led in the most important category in YPC
Also not true. Toby Gerhart in 2009: 1,736 yards and scored 26 TDs Mark Ingram in 2009: 1,542 yards and 18 TDs
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:16 pm to bamasgot13
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Incomparable to LF's situation. Both of those QBs played on teams that are historically well below LSU's level and those QBs elevated their teams to historic heights (for those programs). Those QBs also played WITH less talent than LF plays with.
This is exactly why. You get a pass on the losses if you play on teams that have lower expectations year in and year out and it is easier to look impressive in losses as a QB than it is as a RB.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:16 pm to lsupride87
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Ingram led in the most important category in playing well in big games and playing or the highest ranked team
FIFY
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:17 pm to bamasgot13
quote:Im not saying that is not important. But there have been many times when someone has won without doing that. You think LF has no shot, I think he does. No sense in arguing further
FIFY
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:17 pm to Jenar Boy
That record will fall. Henry has at least 4 more games. Maybe 5. He could break 2000. He probably won't have very many carries Saturday. It will be an interesting end of the season.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:20 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Very interesting. Lets say Henry goes 15 for (95-115) this weekend and Elliot and LF go for 150+ both in nationally televised games. What do you have the odds looking like Monday?
He probably won't have very many carries Saturday. It will be an interesting end of the season.
Henry +150
LF +225
Elliot +225
Is my guess
This post was edited on 11/16/15 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:22 pm to lsupride87
Maybe even closer between all 3. Very fluid.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:27 pm to lsupride87
quote:Dude give it a rest. It is Henry's to lose. All he has to do is average 150 and 2 tds and its over. There is nothing LF can do really. He disappeared in the big games dude. Let it go.
Why? As of now I dont think he does. I have stated that multiple times in here. I said IF he goes for 450+ these next two games with the A&M game being 270+ I think he does win. However, I dont see that happening
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:28 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:I mean ok. Vegas seems to disagree. I never understand why some post on message boards in hope to get others mad
There is nothing LF can do really. He disappeared in the big games dude. Let it go.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:30 pm to JuiceTerry
quote:Very fluid. If you like Elliot or LF, bet heavy this week. If you like Henry hold your money until next week
Maybe even closer between all 3. Very fluid
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:32 pm to lsupride87
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I dont think that was the backstory for Ingram that helped. The media ran the "no Bama player has won it" over and over and over and over.
Yeah that too....and the Bama was back and resurgent feel good story in 2009...that was before Bama became so hated and Saban the Darth Vader of college football.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:32 pm to JuiceTerry
Henry wins it running away.
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:33 pm to lsupride87
quote:I'm not trying to get you mad, but you are coming off like a small kid asking "But there is still a chance, right?"
I mean ok. Vegas seems to disagree. I never understand why some post on message boards in hope to get others mad
Posted on 11/16/15 at 4:33 pm to 14&Counting
quote:Yep. Ingram was a terrible heisman winner relatively speaking, but a deserving winner at the same time
Yeah that too....and the Bama was back and resurgent feel good story in 2009...that was before Bama became so hated and Saban the Darth Vader of college football.
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