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re: Underachieving and Overachieving Programs in the SEC?
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:05 pm to cardboardboxer
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:05 pm to cardboardboxer
Aburn should be a vandy? As usual you are a fricking moron. Yes, we are the 2nd school in Alabama, but you can also make a legit case that we have the 2nd largest fan base in Georgia, especially in the populated areas of Georgia like Atlanta and Columbus. Auburn's campus is only about 90 miles from Atlanta. The southern and western areas of metro Atlanta are probably closer to Auburn than they are to Athens. We also don't have anywhere close to the weirdness factor of a school like Aggie to scare of any potential recruits
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Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:05 pm to StopRobot
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I mean I get it, you hate Bama so therefore to even admit that they are a great program means irks the Barner in you but you are just delusional.
I think your "barner" delusions are not letting you see the argument that is actually happening
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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7. Mizzou - They had a good season last year, and they beat Aggie arse on the reg the last decade so I can't talk too much shite. Still, a program that is THE state program in such a populated state (and close to the football talent concentration of Illinois) should have at least one national title or two. So the are on the underachieving side of the fence, just barely.
We're claiming 1960.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:06 pm to cardboardboxer
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I won't knock them down just because Nicky is underachieving this year. Overall both them and you are overachieving at amazing levels.
What they have done is obviously great. But they did it with all the best possibilities. Best players, best coaching staff and easiest schedule.
Its not overachieving to do something that you are equipped to do.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:06 pm to LanierSpots
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Its not overachieving to do something that you are equipped to do.
exactly, its status quo or par
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:07 pm to semotruman
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We're claiming 1960
Good, you should.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:11 pm to cardboardboxer
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6. Florida - Without Spurrier they would have led this list. I feel like they still belong in the top half despite his and Urban's run because UF is cheap. They should never be hiring someone as a head coach without head coaching experience. The fact that they did shows they are not ready to stand toe-to-toe to a Texas, tOSU or USC on anything other than the Capital One Second Place Cup (because lets be honest that is the ceiling on that thing).
Obviously we are underachieving right now, but like with Meyer, I would be willing to bet the next guy will have head coaching experience.
And FWIW, UF has won more Capital One Cups than any other school.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:12 pm to auburnphan23
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Aburn should be a vandy? As usual you are a fricking moron.
Oh its you, with your normal polite banter. I will probably regret giving you a real response but:
All I was saying is that nationally when the #1 program in a state is very successful, it puts a large shadow over the other programs. It is not just A&M, many programs live in the shadow of another- Cal, Michigan St., Virginia, NC State, Oklahoma St., etc. Normally the better the #1 program, the bigger the shadow.
Honestly it should be a compliment- Auburn overachieves. I mean, even as you beat your chest about why I am wrong I see overachieving. 90 miles from Atlanta? We are closer to Houston and UCLA is RIGHT in freaking LA and Auburn is a better program than either.
But go ahead, make it about A&M if that is what gets your rocks off.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:13 pm to cardboardboxer
On a scale of 1-14 (one being greatest under and 14 being greatest over)
1. Georgia
2. Texas A&M
3. LSU
4. Florida
5. Ole Miss
6. South Carolina
7. Arkansas
8. Kentucky
9. Vanderbilt
10. Mississippi State
11. Tennessee
12. Alabama
13. Auburn
14. Mizzou
1. Georgia
2. Texas A&M
3. LSU
4. Florida
5. Ole Miss
6. South Carolina
7. Arkansas
8. Kentucky
9. Vanderbilt
10. Mississippi State
11. Tennessee
12. Alabama
13. Auburn
14. Mizzou
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:15 pm to cardboardboxer
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2. USC
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:16 pm to cardboardboxer
It all depends on the time-frame. But if we're counting from the start of the BCS era - present:
1. Georgia
2. Texas A&M
3. Tennessee
4. South Carolina
5. Arkansas
6. Missouri
7. Ole Miss
8. Kentucky
9. Mississippi State
10. Vanderbilt
11. LSU
12. Florida
13. Alabama
14. Auburn
1. Georgia
2. Texas A&M
3. Tennessee
4. South Carolina
5. Arkansas
6. Missouri
7. Ole Miss
8. Kentucky
9. Mississippi State
10. Vanderbilt
11. LSU
12. Florida
13. Alabama
14. Auburn
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:16 pm to bgator85
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Obviously we are underachieving right now, but like with Meyer, I would be willing to bet the next guy will have head coaching experience.
I hope yall prove me wrong and hire a $5 million a year splash coach next time around. Something tells me your AD is going to cheap out again though. Its sad that only UK and Vandy pay their head coach less than UF does in the SEC.
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And FWIW, UF has won more Capital One Cups than any other school.
You mean OTHER than Stanford.
Damn I was just joking, but I guess yall really do shift reality on that one issue.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:18 pm to BreakawayZou83
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It all depends on the time-frame.
Good point. I am thinking all time. I will change the OP.
For BCS era I mostly agree with you.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:19 pm to cardboardboxer
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You mean OTHER than Stanford.
Damn I was just joking, but I guess yall really do shift reality on that one issue.
You're thinking of the Director's Cup. Since the Capital One Cup started a few years ago, we've won the most (3 out of 8). Next time you want to flame, at least get it right.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:25 pm to cardboardboxer
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You mean OTHER than Stanford.
Stanford has 2 to our 3.
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I hope yall prove me wrong and hire a $5 million a year splash coach next time around. Something tells me your AD is going to cheap out again though. Its sad that only UK and Vandy pay their head coach less than UF does in the SEC.
I didn't think the hire was so bad when it was made, certainly not like Zook where it came completely out of left field. If a change is made, the pressure will be too great to not hire a proven head coach.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:25 pm to Korin
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You're thinking of the Director's Cup. Since the Capital One Cup started a few years ago, we've won the most (3 out of 8). Next time you want to flame, at least get it right.
Good point, I got them mixed up. Sorry I am like 99% of America as in I don't follow the action in the consolation prize cup, whatever its name might be this year.
And my point still stands- your AD puts overall department success over football success. And I don't know if that formula works long term if you don't keep hitting the lottery with cheap hires.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:28 pm to cardboardboxer
"consolation prize cup,"
Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:29 pm to bgator85
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I didn't think the hire was so bad when it was made, certainly not like Zook where it came completely out of left field.
Yeah the Zook thing was crazy. I honestly think Boom was a little left-field though- Texas SUCKED the year prior to yall taking Boom from them.
I mean, I get hiring a successful mid-major coach. And if its an Arky-level program I get hiring a really successful coordinator, like won the national title last year.
But a coordinator off of a non-bowl team? It was a very Dooley-ish hire.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:29 pm to td01241
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They havent gotten some breaks that other teams have gotten but luck is part of the equation I guess
Luck is when preparation meets opportunity. You can never win a game when you aren't in it at the end.
Posted on 10/8/14 at 4:31 pm to cardboardboxer
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I mean, I get hiring a successful mid-major coach. And if its an Arky-level program I get hiring a really successful coordinator, like won the national title last year.
But a coordinator off of a non-bowl team? It was a very Dooley-ish hire.
I don't know if it is cheap so much as he has a very set formula that he seems to use when hiring a coach for any sport. He looks for young coaches obsessed with recruiting (usually assistants somewhere) and then once they are successful he will give them big contracts. It has worked in every sport but football, hopefully the experiment has ended.
This post was edited on 10/8/14 at 4:33 pm
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