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Undefeated national champions vs. one/two loss national champions
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:02 pm
I have always found this debate rather fascinating. When arguing over which national championship team was better you tend to see people claim that if they didn't finish the season undefeated they shouldn't be in the discussion. I have never really subscribed to this line of thinking because not every season is like the other.
A good example is 1978 Alabama vs. 1979 Alabama. Many people on this board will saying that '79 Alabama was obviously the better of the two teams. They finished 12-0 while '78 Alabama finished 11-1. But once you compare the schedules you see that might not be the case:
1978 Alabama Football Team
20-3 win vs. #10 Nebraska (9-3)
38-20 win @ #11 Missouri (8-4)
14-24 loss vs. #7 USC (12-1)
51-28 win vs. Vanderbilt (2-9)
20-17 win @ Washington (7-4)
23-12 win vs. Florida (4-7)
30-17 win @ Tennessee (5-5-1)
35-0 win vs. Virginia Tech (4-7)
35-14 win vs. Mississippi State (6-5)
31-10 win vs. #10 LSU (8-4)
34-16 win vs. Auburn (6-4-1)
14-7 win vs. #1 Penn State (11-1)
1979 Alabama Football Team
30-6 win @ Georgia Tech (4-6-1)
45-0 win vs. Baylor (8-4)
66-3 win @ Vanderbilt (1-10)
38-0 win vs. Wichita State (1-10)
40-0 win @ Florida (0-10-1)
27-17 win vs. #18 Tennessee (7-5)
31-7 win vs. Virginia Tech (5-6)
24-7 win vs. Mississippi State (3-8)
3-0 win @ LSU (7-5)
25-18 win vs. #14 Auburn (8-3)
24-9 win vs. #6 Arkansas (10-2)
Only 3 of Alabama's opponents finished below .500 in 1978 as opposed to 6 in 1979. 4 of those had 8 or more losses in '79 while only 1 team on Alabama's schedule had 8 or more losses in 1978. The '78 Tide also traveled out of conference to play games in Missouri and Washington, both teams that finished with winning records. Alabama's only trip out of conference in '79 was a trip to play eventual 4-6-1 Georgia Tech in nearby Atlanta.
While it is obvious that 1979 Alabama had the better season, finishing their campaign undefeated with no ties to speak of, which was the better TEAM?
A good example is 1978 Alabama vs. 1979 Alabama. Many people on this board will saying that '79 Alabama was obviously the better of the two teams. They finished 12-0 while '78 Alabama finished 11-1. But once you compare the schedules you see that might not be the case:
1978 Alabama Football Team
20-3 win vs. #10 Nebraska (9-3)
38-20 win @ #11 Missouri (8-4)
14-24 loss vs. #7 USC (12-1)
51-28 win vs. Vanderbilt (2-9)
20-17 win @ Washington (7-4)
23-12 win vs. Florida (4-7)
30-17 win @ Tennessee (5-5-1)
35-0 win vs. Virginia Tech (4-7)
35-14 win vs. Mississippi State (6-5)
31-10 win vs. #10 LSU (8-4)
34-16 win vs. Auburn (6-4-1)
14-7 win vs. #1 Penn State (11-1)
1979 Alabama Football Team
30-6 win @ Georgia Tech (4-6-1)
45-0 win vs. Baylor (8-4)
66-3 win @ Vanderbilt (1-10)
38-0 win vs. Wichita State (1-10)
40-0 win @ Florida (0-10-1)
27-17 win vs. #18 Tennessee (7-5)
31-7 win vs. Virginia Tech (5-6)
24-7 win vs. Mississippi State (3-8)
3-0 win @ LSU (7-5)
25-18 win vs. #14 Auburn (8-3)
24-9 win vs. #6 Arkansas (10-2)
Only 3 of Alabama's opponents finished below .500 in 1978 as opposed to 6 in 1979. 4 of those had 8 or more losses in '79 while only 1 team on Alabama's schedule had 8 or more losses in 1978. The '78 Tide also traveled out of conference to play games in Missouri and Washington, both teams that finished with winning records. Alabama's only trip out of conference in '79 was a trip to play eventual 4-6-1 Georgia Tech in nearby Atlanta.
While it is obvious that 1979 Alabama had the better season, finishing their campaign undefeated with no ties to speak of, which was the better TEAM?
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 4:05 pm
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Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:06 pm to RollTide1987
Let's rank the BCS Champions:
1 - 2001 Miami
2 - 2011 Alabama
3 - 2003 LSU
4 - 1999 Florida State
5 - 2009 Alabama
6 - 2013 Florida State
7 - 2008 Florida
8 - 2005 Texas
9 - 2004 USC
10 - 1998 Tennessee
11 - 2000 Oklahoma
12 - 2007 LSU
13 - 2012 Alabama
14 - 2010 Auburn
15 - 2006 Florida
16 - 2002 Ohio State
1 - 2001 Miami
2 - 2011 Alabama
3 - 2003 LSU
4 - 1999 Florida State
5 - 2009 Alabama
6 - 2013 Florida State
7 - 2008 Florida
8 - 2005 Texas
9 - 2004 USC
10 - 1998 Tennessee
11 - 2000 Oklahoma
12 - 2007 LSU
13 - 2012 Alabama
14 - 2010 Auburn
15 - 2006 Florida
16 - 2002 Ohio State
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:27 pm to RollTide1987
frick You for beating LSU both years!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:28 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Lol at 07 lsu so high. Also I'd take cam vs ANYONE
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:34 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
2001 Miami played a shitty schedule and championship opponent and so did 2011 Alabama. I'd put 2009 Alabama above both of them.
People only remember how much NFL talent Miami had and forget how weak the schedule was that year. Alabama played a Top 20 VT, #2 Florida (final), Texas in the championship, and other serviceable opponents. Games were close here and there, but ultimately, that was a hell of a team. Would've squashed both squads.
People only remember how much NFL talent Miami had and forget how weak the schedule was that year. Alabama played a Top 20 VT, #2 Florida (final), Texas in the championship, and other serviceable opponents. Games were close here and there, but ultimately, that was a hell of a team. Would've squashed both squads.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:35 pm to auzach91
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Lol at 07 lsu so high. Also I'd take cam vs ANYONE
While I think the Newton team should be in the top five, the '07 LSU team had a more impressive resume than several of the 1-loss teams.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:40 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
'06 Florida probably belongs ahead of the Alabama and Auburn squads ahead of them on this list.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:41 pm to auzach91
quote:I think '04 USC could beat '10 Auburn.
Lol at 07 lsu so high. Also I'd take cam vs ANYONE
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:44 pm to RollTide1987
Which should count for more, who you beat or who you lost to?
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:47 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
I'd be 60-59 whoever
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:52 pm to RollTide1987
Better schedule does not always mean better team.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:53 pm to auzach91
Texas was the better team in 09, but losing McCoy screwed it up.
I mean... Bama was a blocked field goal away from losing to Tennessee.
I mean... Bama was a blocked field goal away from losing to Tennessee.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:55 pm to auzach91
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I'd take cam vs ANYONE
2011 Bama would have shut him down big time.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:56 pm to UsingUpAllTheLetters
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'06 Florida probably belongs ahead of the Alabama and Auburn squads ahead of them on this list.
Too many close calls and issues on offense. 01 and 09 were better.
Now our 08 team was top 5 in scoring defense, scoring offense, and sos.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:57 pm to RANDY44
The fact is LSU had 2 losses. They are at the bottom of the list.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:58 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
#1 is '95 Nebraska
#2 is '01 Miami
everybody else.
#2 is '01 Miami
everybody else.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:58 pm to auzach91
i am not gonna say 2007 LSU would have the highest winning percentage if we played these teams against each other 100 times.
But they were a fricking juggernaut when healthy and on. Just mauled some really good teams.
But they were a fricking juggernaut when healthy and on. Just mauled some really good teams.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:04 pm to AUtigerNOLA
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The fact is LSU had 2 losses. They are at the bottom of the list.
Not even in the top 3 LSU teams of the BCS era.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:04 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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12 - 2007 LSU
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13 - 2012 Alabama
15 - 2006 Florida
Posted on 4/30/15 at 5:06 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
No Nevraska? Lol gtfo.
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