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re: UA fans, a question about Saban's future direction for program.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:52 am to Libertyabides71
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:52 am to Libertyabides71
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The rule should be simple, if you change any of the 11 guys on the field you have to huddle.
I thought it had. If the O makes any substitution, the D has to be given time to respond. It's a set amount of time. Isn't this true?
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:54 am to Libertyabides71
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The HUNH has to have some rules changed. The standing over the ball situation by the refs is not working at all.
It's working just fine for the offenses.
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And in the Iron Bowl the ref crew is seen running to get the ball set.
And?
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The rule should be simple, if you change any of the 11 guys on the field you have to huddle.
That rule would be simple. And also stupid.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:54 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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I thought it had. If the O makes any substitution, the D has to be given time to respond. It's a set amount of time. Isn't this true?
The new rule is being abused, see the example I said. Refs are standing over the ball but are hurrying up for HUNH teams. NH is great for the end of games or when you want to vary tempos. Don't use it as a gimmick.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:56 am to Libertyabides71
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Don't use it as a gimmick.
Why not? Because it works and you don't like that?
In basketball, should the offense have to wait until the defense is good and ready before they move past halfcourt?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:57 am to kidbourbon
The refs need to be consistent nationwide on setting the ball for play.
Not sure if I want rule changes but consistency should be expected. Teams should not dictate the pace of the refs.
Not sure if I want rule changes but consistency should be expected. Teams should not dictate the pace of the refs.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:59 am to Libertyabides71
Gotcha. There's a gap the D has to overcome (identify exactly who the O is sending then round up the guys you want to send) that is a bit out of whack. Perhaps forcing a huddle with substitution is appropriate, dunno.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:02 am to Libertyabides71
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Don't use it as a gimmick.
I disagree. If it's not against the rules, there's nothing wrong with doing it, and if it's effective and works for you, then more power to you. The only reason the HUNH should be made against the rules is if it can be shown that players get injured more when playing at that pace. I don't think that has been shown, nor do I think it will be shown. (And by injuries I mean serious ones, not real or faked cramps).
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:03 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
I take issue with one point you totally forget.
Ball control offense, keeps the defense on the bench / running the ball first and again and again is fricken GREAT DEFENSE, Nuss didn't get this in 2 years.
Ball control offense, keeps the defense on the bench / running the ball first and again and again is fricken GREAT DEFENSE, Nuss didn't get this in 2 years.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:06 am to Crimson G
Saban's view is that football is not meant as a continuous game (I think the injury angle was just a smokescreen). The question is how the rule makers interpret continuous. The D is allowed a time stoppage to line up and get set. Does this suffice?
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:08 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
The only reason I say it is the standing over the ball is not working.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:09 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
I agree with Saban in that I don't like it and I don't think that's how the game is meant to be played, but what are you gonna do 
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:15 am to LSUFOREVERAMEN
You are just naively wrong.
Mich. QB Robinson, shut down, Tebow SECCG shut down, Clemsons offense 2008 shutdown, Auburn had only 325 yards till the last drive.Ole Miss has a dual threat QB, 2 years, 13 points.
The biggest problem Bama's defense is having is the offense isn't creating 15 play / 8-9 minute drives. Why Nuss is out imho.
LSU still protects their defense with Hill pounding the ball.
We also missed on a couple of 5 star corners, Fulton being one, and the pass rush isn't good enough , but should be next year.
Mich. QB Robinson, shut down, Tebow SECCG shut down, Clemsons offense 2008 shutdown, Auburn had only 325 yards till the last drive.Ole Miss has a dual threat QB, 2 years, 13 points.
The biggest problem Bama's defense is having is the offense isn't creating 15 play / 8-9 minute drives. Why Nuss is out imho.
LSU still protects their defense with Hill pounding the ball.
We also missed on a couple of 5 star corners, Fulton being one, and the pass rush isn't good enough , but should be next year.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:17 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
In terms of defense, someone like Pettway is an upgrade over Hubbard. Pettway had a knack for getting to the quarterback. He's also good at takeaways :rimshot: 
I think he will help contain a lot better than Hubbard. Hubbard was sometimes Clowneyesque in the way he'd take off plays.
Also think our cbs will be better next year. Saban's defense is complicated for young cbs, but they are typically improved year two. I do wish that we'd simply some of the checks to make it easier on the cbs, but that's not how Saban operates.
With Nuss I think there were some idealogical differences. I think it was the SECCG where Saban said at half that we needed to run the ball more. This was just a few weeks after the ATM loss when Saban commented to Eli Gold "I don't know why we didn't jus run the ball." I think Nuss was great at coming up with game plans beforehand, but lacked in-game adjustments. Also criminal that Henry had eight carries in the OU game while Yeldon is not 100%. Strong rumors suggesting that he had hurt his hip earlier in the season, and he also did something to his ankle at the Miss State game. Don't know how it can be justified that a hobbling Yeldon is better than a healthy Henry. Henry in high school would get a lot of carries, so it's not like he isn't used to it.
I think he will help contain a lot better than Hubbard. Hubbard was sometimes Clowneyesque in the way he'd take off plays.
Also think our cbs will be better next year. Saban's defense is complicated for young cbs, but they are typically improved year two. I do wish that we'd simply some of the checks to make it easier on the cbs, but that's not how Saban operates.
With Nuss I think there were some idealogical differences. I think it was the SECCG where Saban said at half that we needed to run the ball more. This was just a few weeks after the ATM loss when Saban commented to Eli Gold "I don't know why we didn't jus run the ball." I think Nuss was great at coming up with game plans beforehand, but lacked in-game adjustments. Also criminal that Henry had eight carries in the OU game while Yeldon is not 100%. Strong rumors suggesting that he had hurt his hip earlier in the season, and he also did something to his ankle at the Miss State game. Don't know how it can be justified that a hobbling Yeldon is better than a healthy Henry. Henry in high school would get a lot of carries, so it's not like he isn't used to it.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:24 am to chattabama
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Also criminal that Henry had eight carries in the OU game
8 carries, 100 yards. Yeah, he should have gotten the ball more for sure.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:29 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
Saban has already said he is moving to the HUNH. You guys don't read the press much, eh? From Saban's mouth:
"I think the time is coming where we'll probably do it, too," he said. (referring to the HUNH). LINK
Also during the BCS title game Saban was asked what FSU needed to do on offense. His response? "FSU needs to go more up tempo to stop AU from stunting their D-line." I am paraphrasing this one since I watched it live during half-time, but that's basically what he said.
Yes, Saban will run the HUNH. Sorry, bammers, but he is smarter than you and knows he must adapt or die.
"I think the time is coming where we'll probably do it, too," he said. (referring to the HUNH). LINK
Also during the BCS title game Saban was asked what FSU needed to do on offense. His response? "FSU needs to go more up tempo to stop AU from stunting their D-line." I am paraphrasing this one since I watched it live during half-time, but that's basically what he said.
Yes, Saban will run the HUNH. Sorry, bammers, but he is smarter than you and knows he must adapt or die.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:30 am to AUstar
the HUNH isn't an offense it is a tempo and good/great offenses have variable tempos.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:39 am to Libertyabides71
True, you can HU and/or NH....and do it with the spread, power I, wishbone...whatever.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:47 am to Libertyabides71
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the HUNH isn't an offense it is a tempo and good/great offenses have variable tempos
No shite Sherlock. It is a "philosophy" more than an "offense." You can run high tempo with the I-formation, the wishbone, the Wing-T (Gus), pro-sets or even the air-raid if you want. But there's no denying that the offenses who put up the most points over the past 5 years are all high tempo. Oregon, TAMU, Baylor, AU, Mizzou and a bunch I am forgetting. FSU this year is probably one of the few exceptions, but when you have a roster of NFL talent playing in a HS league, you simply out-talent everyone to get 50 points a game. FSU would have averaged about 35 points in the SEC this year and not 53 like they did in the joke ACC.
It is a decisive advantage for the offense, there is no denying that. The old "take 20 seconds in the huddle" and "run 50 plays a game" are gone. People now want 85 to 90 plays a game on offense. When Mizzou played Okie St. in the Cotton bowl, both teams had over 90 plays on offense. That's the way it's going to be unless rules are changed (which they wont be and shouldn't be).
But just admit it. Saban fought against the HUNH and is now embracing it. He has seen the light.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:51 am to AUstar
And those teams have sucky defenses. I say Saban/Fisher are the ones we need to be listening.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 6:52 am to kidbourbon
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Ramping up the tempo doesn't work so well when you lose 3 yards on first down, and that's what happened most of the time in '11. Bama's D this year wasn't dominant, but it isn't a philosophical problem.
This, exactly.
Bama isn't changing anything. The team just wasn't as good this year. We lacked a true 3-4 NT, two of the linebackers weren't as good as years past, and there was a huge drop off at CB due to lack of talent and inexperience with the younger guys.
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