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re: UA fans, a question about Saban's future direction for program.

Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:25 am to
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:25 am to
oops, my bad. Let me consider.
Posted by LSUFOREVERAMEN
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:26 am to
Denard Robinson had one good season and that was 2010. By 2012 he was a shell of his former self.
Posted by kidbourbon
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:29 am to
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Bama's defense is predicated on the perfect play call. It works well with a slower tempo. But once teams are able to ramp up the tempo, Bama's defense is effectively neutralized.


Not true. Ramping up the tempo doesn't work so well when you lose 3 yards on first down, and that's what happened most of the time in '11. Bama's D this year wasn't dominant, but it isn't a philosophical problem.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:30 am to
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Denard Robinson had one good season and that was 2010. By 2012 he was a shell of his former self.



Most of the mobile QB's that have beaten us though have done it with their arm though. Only a couple have actually cost us a lot of issues with their running ability.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:32 am to
I checked their schedule. UA held them to 14, ND and NU held them to single digits. Denard had a worse year than in 2011. He finished ranked 112.
Posted by cheapseat
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:33 am to
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21-0

9-6
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:34 am to
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Most of the mobile QB's that have beaten us though have done it with their arm though. Only a couple have actually cost us a lot of issues with their running ability.

One of the difficulties of a good mobile QB is the pass rush must have containment, rather than just pin your ears back. It gives the QB just a bit more time.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:35 am to
Swoopin went sleepy time. Ignore.
Posted by kidbourbon
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:35 am to
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Well had we wanted to keep Nussmeier I mean we would have paid for him but I don't think its a situation where he got fired. If anything Saban may be pissed over the game plan for the Sugar Bowl. Nuss/AJ/Napier put together the game plan to let AJ throw it often and deep because to them it was a meaningless game. AJ threw for 387 and the two interceptions were simply a bad look off and a shortarmed throw. They wanted to show he could complete deep passes (a problem since his Labrum was repaired over a year ago).

But we had over 500 yards Total offense with 31 points (despite 5 turnovers and a missed field goal). Our offense is about efficiency and execution. We execute even 50 percent better and convert 3 of those drives we are at 48 points minimum.



AJ also broke the NCAA record for most amount of time spent aimlessly holding on to the ball in the pocket while confusedly waiting for an inevitable sack.

AJ was exposed in that game. If he isn't throwing to a predetermined receiver, he has no idea what to do.

Alabama gets badly embarrassed in that game without Henry.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:35 am to
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I checked their schedule. UA held them to 14, ND and NU held them to single digits. Denard had a worse year than in 2011. He finished ranked 112.



Denard is a poor example, but it was the story heading into the game.

I think what we did against Cam is a good example. We forced him to beat us with his arm. This seems to be the philosophy more than anything else.
Posted by kidbourbon
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:38 am to
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Most of the mobile QB's that have beaten us though have done it with their arm though. Only a couple have actually cost us a lot of issues with their running ability.


Running ability helps them beat you with their arm. Mobility occurs in the pocket and out of the pocket (See: Football, Johnny fricking).
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:40 am to
Off to the NFL after motorboating some big breasted FSU girl on the Gameday set.


The life of Riley.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:41 am to
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Running ability helps them beat you with their arm. Mobility occurs in the pocket and out of the pocket (See: Football, Johnny fricking).



Which is why having great corners is so necessary and something we seriously lacked this year.

It all becomes very tricky against guys like JFF when you can't get pressure with 4 and contain him. The HUNH really keeps us from disguising a lot of our blitzes, so some of these guys have been able to pick us apart when we bring extra guys.
Posted by Libertyabides71
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:45 am to
Saban's defensive philosophy has always been boiled down to taking away what an offense (and its key players do best) and baiting them/making them beat you in ways they aren't comfortable with.

Mettenberger we took away the deep stuff, Dual threat guys we make complete difficult passes from the pocket.
Posted by bona fide
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:46 am to
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Denard is a poor example


He is a good example. He was 100% dual threat. So was JJ, ND qb, Tebow, Cam, MSU and Ole Miss QBs, etc...

Sounds like the argument has changed to, " Bama has trouble with elite dual threats". I'm guessing that's the case with all teams. Same can be said for elite pocket qbs.

Take note, Marshall and Manziel were also in a HU offense. Did they do well against Bama because of that or dual threat? I say due to HU, for the most part.
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:48 am to
The HU disallows substitutions which Saban dislikes the most, I agree.
Posted by PepaSpray
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:49 am to
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Was Nuss 'given time to pursue opportunities elsewhere'?
the writing seems to have been written on the wall. It appears that he was gone during bowl practices what with Kiffin coming to "evaluate" the offense.
Posted by Libertyabides71
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:49 am to
The HUNH has to have some rules changed. The standing over the ball situation by the refs is not working at all. And in the Iron Bowl the ref crew is seen running to get the ball set.

The rule should be simple, if you change any of the 11 guys on the field you have to huddle.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:49 am to
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The HU disallows substitutions which Saban dislikes the most, I agree.



It also takes away the chess game Saban and Smart like to play against the offense
Posted by dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:50 am to
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It appears that he was gone during bowl practices

Seriously? Damn, didn't know that.
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