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re: Top 8 coaches in college football now that Jimbo, Malzahn, etc. discussions are
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:41 pm to MrAUTigers
Posted on 4/29/14 at 4:41 pm to MrAUTigers
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Spurrier should be #1.
He turned UF into a national power.
He has turned USCe into a top SEC program.
He won a Conf. Championship at Duke.
There is not a coach in the nation who has had a bigger impact on every program he has coached at.
But for all his greatness he only has a single national championship.
Spurrier is a great coach, one of the greatest in the history of the conference, but no man has ever done less with more quite like Spurrier did in the 1990s. They were the best team in the conference, bar none, from 1990-2000. They routinely dominated the opposition week in and week out. But whenever Florida State came calling at the end of the year, Spurrier would lose to them more often than not.
He was 5-8-1 against the Seminoles and was routinely only the second or third best team in the state of Florida. That shows you just how weak the SEC was throughout the 1990s. You had only two great programs (Florida and Tennessee) and one good program (Alabama).
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 9:37 pm to RollTide1987
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He was 5-8-1 against the Seminoles and was routinely only the second or third best team in the state of Florida.
That was also during a time where FSU finished in the top 5, of the final poll, for 14 straight years....or some crazy ish like that. Trying to compare what FSU did compared to what UF did, a consistent mid pack SEC school, at best, is nit-picking.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 10:58 pm to MrAUTigers
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Trying to compare what FSU did compared to what UF did, a consistent mid pack SEC school, at best, is nit-picking.
And where was FSU before they began their run in the late-80s? Their success was pretty much a carbon copy of what Florida's was before Spurrier got there in 1990. Florida and FSU became elite at roughly the same time.
The only difference was Florida State was consistently more elite.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:15 pm to RollTide1987
Malzahn is on there ahead of Dantonio or Chris Peterson after 1 year?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:17 pm to RollTide1987
1. Saban
2. Spurrier
3. Meyer
4. Miles
5. Stoops
6. Jimbo
7. Malzahn
8. Chris Petersen
The next tier has Dantonio, Richt, Shaw, Charlie Strong, Dabo, Brian Kelly, I'ma Man Gundy, Frank Beamer, and Gary Patterson.
2. Spurrier
3. Meyer
4. Miles
5. Stoops
6. Jimbo
7. Malzahn
8. Chris Petersen
The next tier has Dantonio, Richt, Shaw, Charlie Strong, Dabo, Brian Kelly, I'ma Man Gundy, Frank Beamer, and Gary Patterson.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:18 pm to DBU
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Malzahn is on there ahead of Dantonio or Chris Peterson after 1 year?
Yep. Never mind the fact that Gus Malzahn was thrust into the most ideal situation a coach could ever have. Virtually every single offensive player on that roster was recruited to Auburn for HIS system. Not only that, there was quite a bit of talent on that roster due to a couple of Top 10 recruiting classes Chizik brought in while he was the head man on the Plains.
While Auburn went 3-9 in 2012, that was not a 3-9 caliber team. There was quite a bit of talent on that roster that was being woefully misused by a coach who was in completely over his head.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:18 pm to DBU
Yes... who else has taken a 3 win team to a national championship in year one?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:20 pm to BradPitt
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Yes... who else has taken a 3 win team to a national championship in year one?
No one. Not even Malzahn.
Malzahn was the head coach of a team that was only a couple of seasons removed from a national championship. Auburn had brought in highly regarded classes while Chizik was head coach. There was a lot of talent on that roster that was being misused by Chizik & co.
As I said in my post above, 2012 Auburn was 3-9 but they were not a 3-9 team.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:30 pm to RollTide1987
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And where was FSU before they began their run in the late-80s? Their success was pretty much a carbon copy of what Florida's was before Spurrier got there in 1990. Florida and FSU became elite at roughly the same time.
That was my point. Spurrier turned UF into a national power. He has turned a typically bad UCSe team into contenders for the East on a yearly basis. He won the Conf. at Duke for goodness sakes. The guy is every bit the coach saban is. Spurrier also is to thank for all the speed SEC D's play with today. I am over 50. He changed the SEC more than any other coach in my lifetime.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:36 pm to RollTide1987
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Yep. Never mind the fact that Gus Malzahn was thrust into the most ideal situation a coach could ever have. Virtually every single offensive player on that roster was recruited to Auburn for HIS system. Not only that, there was quite a bit of talent on that roster due to a couple of Top 10 recruiting classes Chizik brought in while he was the head man on the Plains.
Hindsight is 20/20. It was pretty widely speculated, before last season, Auburn was a 7 win team at best. It's always easy to say it was obvious after the fact.
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 11:39 pm to TRUERockyTop
lololol
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:23 am to SECfootball2121
I think Saban, Meyer, and Spurrier at the best 3 coaches in the country.
There's a big group of really good coaches after them but those are the only 3 you could put in charge of any program and I'd be comfortable that program would be a consisten winner.
There's a big group of really good coaches after them but those are the only 3 you could put in charge of any program and I'd be comfortable that program would be a consisten winner.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:38 am to SECfootball2121
1 Saban
2 Meyer
3 Miles/Spurrier
4 Jimbo
5 Stoops
6 Shaw
7 Malzahn
FTR, a more interesting question is where these coaches are in terms of career trajectory (who's on the way up, maintaining or on the way down).
2 Meyer
3 Miles/Spurrier
4 Jimbo
5 Stoops
6 Shaw
7 Malzahn
FTR, a more interesting question is where these coaches are in terms of career trajectory (who's on the way up, maintaining or on the way down).
Posted on 4/30/14 at 12:50 am to RollTide1987
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As I said in my post above, 2012 Auburn was 3-9 but they were not a 3-9 team.
This is very true. They were a way better team talent wise than their 3-9 record. They didn't go 3-9 because the cupboard was bare and the program was in shambles. They went 3-9 because the coach lost the team and they just flat out quit playing.
It's hard to evaluate a team that quits. At the beginning of the year they were half decent, by the end they were getting rolled by everybody and not caring.
Figure they were more a 6-6 or 7-5 type team most years, which is still a big turnaround.
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Hindsight is 20/20. It was pretty widely speculated, before last season, Auburn was a 7 win team at best. It's always easy to say it was obvious after the fact.
But in fairness they were a 9-3 type team that caught a lot of good luck to get to 11-1.
Still a great turnaround regardless of course, but the whole 3-9 to 12-1 thing can be partially explained by:
2012 team much better than their final record.
2013 team not quite as good as their final record.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 12:53 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:00 am to SECfootball2121
I'd put guys like Dantonio, Fitzgerald and Snyder ahead of many on your list.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 1:12 am to SECfootball2121
I think Richt deserves to be top 8.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 3:37 am to SECfootball2121
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1 Saban
2 Meyer
3 Miles
4 Spurrier
5 Stoops
6 David Shaw
7 Jimbo Fisher
8 Gus Malzahn
1 Saban
2 Meyer
3 Fisher
4 Malzahn
5 Miles
6 David Shaw
7 Spurrier
8 Mark Dantonio
9 Jim Mora
10 Sumlin
I think Kingsbury is an upcoming name.. his first season took a bit of a sour turn but he did go 2-3 against top-25 teams in his first year. I think they finish this upcoming season in the top-15 and beat Arkansas in 2014.
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 3:40 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 5:31 am to SECfootball2121
1) Saban
2) Spurrier
3) Fisher
4) Miles
5) Snyder
6) Dantonio
7) Richt
8) Malzahn
9) Stoops
10) Shaw
11) Meyer
Malzahn and Shaw are down in my book because they haven't demonstrated the maintenance bit yet. Once they get some more years of success under their belt they'd move up. Meyer has a lot of experience compared to them but hasn't proved he can maintain a program; he's done well each year but he job-hops too much and he's left his programs behind him a total mess.
2) Spurrier
3) Fisher
4) Miles
5) Snyder
6) Dantonio
7) Richt
8) Malzahn
9) Stoops
10) Shaw
11) Meyer
Malzahn and Shaw are down in my book because they haven't demonstrated the maintenance bit yet. Once they get some more years of success under their belt they'd move up. Meyer has a lot of experience compared to them but hasn't proved he can maintain a program; he's done well each year but he job-hops too much and he's left his programs behind him a total mess.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 5:38 am to IAmReality
quote:I always love fans who talk about the luck other teams receive and ignore the enormous amount their own team has received.
But in fairness they were a 9-3 type team that caught a lot of good luck to get to 11-1.
If you discount a coach's success because of luck, Saban should not be #1 on any list. I can easily point out how Saban has received an enormous amount of luck during every single year he has won a championship. This even includes the one national championship he won at LSU
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 5:41 am
Posted on 4/30/14 at 6:02 am to lsutothetop
Shaw has been there for 3 seasons now, so I do think he's established and very good coach. that said, he makes some bone headed ingame decisions that cost his team at times last year
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 6:03 am
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