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re: To put an end to the Chavis debate
Posted on 7/20/15 at 5:47 pm to cas4t
Posted on 7/20/15 at 5:47 pm to cas4t
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so you think y'all will hang 63 on LSU this year?
Prolly not, but it'll be in the high 40s.
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I have a beach home in Idaho for sale. interested?
Depends on how much. Is it here?
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Posted on 7/20/15 at 5:48 pm to SwampyLSU
oh and what is Alabama's defense known to be exceptionally good at?
LB play
Posted on 7/20/15 at 5:48 pm to SwampyLSU
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Bonus fact: the lb coach that held a&m to a 59-0 loss at Alabama last year is our DC
Well played.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 5:48 pm to cardboardboxer
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I can't deny Third and Chavis or Fourth Quarter Chavis is a thing. I just don't know if its a thing that matters to us.
Don't think that I'm comparing your offense to Peyton Manning and Jamal Lewis, but I think the following excerpt from a 2008 article born of the move of Chavis from Tennessee to LSU may prove insightful....
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JG: "Soft zone" is a dirty word in Baton Rouge, how would you characterize Chavis' "style of play" or scheme? Is it at all dependent on personnel or opposing offenses for that week?
WS: It's funny, soft zone might be the biggest complaint about Chavis' style.
There was an NFL scout a few years back, and I can't remember his name, but in talking about Tennessee's defensive players he said "The Tennessee guys always have the run-hit philosophy: they're fast, and when they get there they're in a bad mood."
Chavis has always employed a 4-3 defense that utilizes speed and athleticism. When Tennessee was on top of the college football world in the late 90s, their defense was so tough to deal with because it combined these incredible athletes with an offense that allowed them to be super- aggressive and take chances; when Peyton Manning was your quarterback, you knew you could go full-tilt and gamble on defense and he had your back. And they did. All the Tennessee sack records that don't belong to Reggie White come from this era.
When Manning wasn't under center or the Vols didn't have an explosive offense, the defense could throttle back some but was still very capable of carrying the entire team - the Vols won the National Championship in 1998 with an inexperienced quarterback and the loss of Jamal Lewis because their defense put them on their shoulders the entire season. That team established a mentality that Vol defenses have upheld, for the most part, ever since: you will not drive 80 yards on us. Whether by someone making a play (again, speed and athleticism) or by your quarterback making a bad decision against our coverage, you won't go 80 yards against us. Long drives against Chavis defenses are few and far between.
Under Chavis, the Vols have put guys like Leonard Little, Shaun Ellis, Darwin Walker, Al Wilson, Deon Grant, John Henderson, Al Haynesworth, Gibril Wilson, Jason Allen, and now Jerod Mayo in the NFL as starters.
Chavis has always been more about players than scheme, but even in the last few years when Tennessee's talent level has decreased, he still finds ways to maximize what's out there. Even if he doesn't have NFL athletes, he'll put the right guy in the right spot to make a play with alarming consistency. And putting guys in the right position is why Eric Berry has seven interceptions this season on a team that's really not spectacular on the defensive front and doesn't pressure quarterbacks to make hurried throws.
Getting back to the "soft zone"—Tennessee defenses were typically aggressive under Chavis, except in third down situations. The biggest complaint Vol fans would have about him is what some would call "Third and Chavis", where the Vols employed their "Mustang" package—three down linemen, two linebackers and six DBs—and trusted athleticism in the secondary to make a play instead of going after the quarterback.
Some of Tennessee's most heartbreaking 4th quarter losses can be attributed to the use of this package in late game situations—we helped make JaMarcus Russell the first pick in the draft using some of this package in 2006.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 5:49 pm to Projectpat
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Prolly not, but it'll be in the high 40s.
name your exact number and then let's make a bet.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:09 pm to SwampyLSU
The word 'Chavis' conjures up such noteworthy and scintillating defensive performances (esp. At the end of each half) as:
2012 Bama, 2012 Clemson, 2013 Bama, 2013 Ole Miss, 2013 Georgia, 2014 MSU, 2014 Auburn, 2014 Bama, and of course, 2014 ND (when he was emloyed by 2 different schools.)
2012 Bama, 2012 Clemson, 2013 Bama, 2013 Ole Miss, 2013 Georgia, 2014 MSU, 2014 Auburn, 2014 Bama, and of course, 2014 ND (when he was emloyed by 2 different schools.)
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:19 pm to SwampyLSU
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To put an end to the Chavis debate
Yeah, you're not going to pull that off.
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A thread about Chavis or Steele pops up just about every time I get on this site, so I thought I'd turn a post I recently made into a topic to put an end to the discussion
Good freaking luck.
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A&M fans need to stop acting like Chavis is the savior of defense for LSU. Bo Pelini led us to the 3rd ranked national defense for 3 straight years. Mushchamp also didn't do so bad either and had a 1st ranked national defense during his stay.
Is that REALLY what they're doing?
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The only difference between Chavis and these two are that Pelini and Muschamp actually brought home a National Championship for LSU. We're gonna have a top notch defense no matter who the coordinator is because we can field the talent.
You're saying 2011 was Chavis' fault for not winning a national title?
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:28 pm to chilge1
That made my dick hard. Thanks, 
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:30 pm to SwampyLSU
This thread settles it for me
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:34 pm to SwayzeBalla
I'm glad the debates over
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:38 pm to cardboardboxer
No problem... I think it pretty well summarizes why yall are excited to get him, and the last two paragraphs summarizes why we're not heartbroken to see him go.
When you're main competition has won a National Championship 3 of the last 6 years, there is a razor-thin margin for error. That soft zone crap cost us way too many games over the last three years.
When you're main competition has won a National Championship 3 of the last 6 years, there is a razor-thin margin for error. That soft zone crap cost us way too many games over the last three years.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:41 pm to chilge1
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When you're main competition has won a National Championship 3 of the last 6 years,
I know this one! The answer is
"Build up your facilities and coaching staffs and wait for him to retire."
This post was edited on 7/20/15 at 6:53 pm
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:42 pm to Projectpat
I have my fingers crossed, but I'm not so confident about the D this year with LSU's sloppy seconds.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 6:50 pm to General Anesthesia
I bet you aren't alter
Posted on 7/20/15 at 7:12 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
lol sorry for actually being realistic
Posted on 7/20/15 at 7:16 pm to cardboardboxer
quote:Actually, by the numbers, Athlon Sports ranked your D-line #9 in the SEC, linebackers #13 in the SEC, and defensive backs #14 (dead last) in the SEC. Ya'll aren't a talented team
Actually by the numbers right now Texas A&M has the most talented set of defensive players we have had in over a decade
quote:I get that you're a complete aggy homer but this is possibly the biggest exaggeration that I've ever seen. Refer to the last part of my post
People act like we have recruited Vanderbilt levels, when really we have the fourth most talent on that side of the ball in the division probably.
quote:I guess you don't understand that Chavis, Brick, and whoever your no name DB coach is don't teach good fundamentals. Again, Chavis is very, very good on gamedays and making solid game plans. He's completely worthless in recruiting, teaching linebacker technique, and motivating his team/creating a high energy environment
I really am not scared of our passing defense. Last years it was being out of position that caused the big plays and not a lack of talent. A boost in fundamentals could really help that unit.
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Les will be gone in a year or two if the current players don't perform well. Yall aren't in the build a program stage like A&M. Yall are in the "let's get the best out of our built program while we can" stage.
yea we've been in the "let's get the best out of our program while we can" for the last 15 years. 3 national championship visits, 3 SEC championships, 2 national titles, evenly distributed over a span of 13 years. There's a big difference between being a national power and needing to "squeeze everything we can out of our weak little program", not that an A&M fan would know the differencequote:There are 3 major defensive assistants: D-line, DB, and linebacker. Chavis was our linebackers coach and he was replaced by Steele who was a HUGE upgrade, say whatever you want about his ability to be a DC but his linebacker coaching is second to none. Brick was our d-line coach who was replaced by Ed Orgeron who was a HUGE upgrade. We retained the best DB coach in the country. What are you not understanding about the fact that replacing two mediocre position coaches with two elite ones is going to benefit us next year?
Didn't yall have all the same assistants under Chavis that yall will have under Steele except one person? So how can the addition of "elite assistants" close the coaching gap between Steele and Chavis when Chavis had pretty much the same assistants? It makes no sense.
Posted on 7/20/15 at 7:53 pm to southeasttiger113
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Actually, by the numbers, Athlon Sports ranked your D-line #9 in the SEC, linebackers #13 in the SEC, and defensive backs #14 (dead last) in the SEC. Ya'll aren't a talented team
I am talking by recruiting numbers. Athlon is making predictions with last year's on field data mostly. I am saying we have signed more talent on paper the last three years than the six years previous. Maybe relatively its near the old same level because the SEC competition is crazy, but not all of our schedule is the SEC West elite.
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Again, Chavis is very, very good on gamedays and making solid game plans. He's completely worthless in recruiting, teaching linebacker technique, and motivating his team/creating a high energy environment
Chavis doesn't have to do shite for the energy. That is the DJ's job. Recruiting too.
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There's a big difference between being a national power
Even national powers have down cycles. Congrats on your run, it is impressive.
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Steele who was a HUGE upgrade, say whatever you want about his ability to be a DC but his linebacker coaching is second to none.
The Bama fan in my other thread said he was a poor LB coach and the LBs regressed under him. So apparently that point is debatable. The only thing not debatable is Steele is a good recruiter.
Which doesn't finish the debate on Chavis by any means.
Posted on 7/21/15 at 12:06 am to cardboardboxer
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Us Louisiana folks, eh?
If you had seen the heat these past couple of weeks, my god..........
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