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Posted on 8/16/13 at 1:25 pm to bgator85
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don't think that makes it a nationally known rivalry though, just because someone can make that assumption. I mean would you consider Arizona-Arizona State a national rivalry? I think the importance of the game has to come into play to earn that distinction, many in state games probably wouldn't make a fan's top 30 or 40 rivalry games.
You go to someone in Montana and ask them if they would consdier Ole Miss vs Missisippi State a rivalry, they will say probably yes.
You go to someone in Montana and ask them if Alabama vs Tennessee is a rivalry, they will probably say no.
That's the difference between a national and regional rivalry. The national ones are accepted and known by most fans across the country. The regional ones are not known.
Army-Navy...that game has zero importance over the overall scope of college football. yet everyone accepts it as a rivalry. Lafayette-Lehigh is the same way, as is Harvard-Yale.
You ask is Arizona-Arizona State a rivalry. Yes it is. Among other things...it is the oldest of the trophy games and the trophy (Terrirotial Cup)awarded to the winner dates back to the late 1800s.
Civil War, Apple Cup, The Big Game, Bedlam, Holy War...anyone who has an ounce of knowledge of college football knows and accepts these.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 1:25 pm to bgator85
Whether or not teams are rivals has absolutely nothing to do with national preception. Rivalries are born based off of the alumni/fans of the schools involved.
In the end, the OP's whole concept of tiers of rivalries is flawed in and of itself. Who am I to tell UF & UT fans that their game isn't a rivalry, even though I personally don't consider it one. If they consider it one, then so be it. Games of national importance and rivalries are two different things. Fans in the state of Mississippi may consider the Egg Bowl a bigger rivalry than the Iron Bowl, and to them it could be. Rivalries are personal and between the two schools, and everyone will rate them differently based on their own loyalties.
In the end, the OP's whole concept of tiers of rivalries is flawed in and of itself. Who am I to tell UF & UT fans that their game isn't a rivalry, even though I personally don't consider it one. If they consider it one, then so be it. Games of national importance and rivalries are two different things. Fans in the state of Mississippi may consider the Egg Bowl a bigger rivalry than the Iron Bowl, and to them it could be. Rivalries are personal and between the two schools, and everyone will rate them differently based on their own loyalties.
This post was edited on 8/16/13 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 8/16/13 at 1:44 pm to sbrian3915
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You go to someone in Montana and ask them if they would consdier Ole Miss vs Missisippi State a rivalry, they will say probably yes
Except that is not actual knowledge that a rivalry exists, it is just an assumption. If you were to ask someone in Montana to identify who plays in the WLOCP and who plays in the Egg Bowl, I would be willing to bet more people would recognize the WLOCP.
This post was edited on 8/16/13 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 8/16/13 at 1:51 pm to Bamatab
"I would drop the Cocktail Party & Border War down to the level with TSIO & DSOR, especially the border war (I know I didn't think anything about it until Mizzou jumped to the SEC). Both of those are really regional rivalries."
says the alabama fan...and yet everybody nationwide cares about the iron bowl? get a grip...alabama was largely irrelevant for years and now auburn is (irrelevant).
no disrespect to auburn...they will be back.
says the alabama fan...and yet everybody nationwide cares about the iron bowl? get a grip...alabama was largely irrelevant for years and now auburn is (irrelevant).
no disrespect to auburn...they will be back.
This post was edited on 8/16/13 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/16/13 at 1:56 pm to CockInYourEar
"I think anyone who thinks you can separate rivalries into tiers, doesn't know shite about real rivalries. Your team either has a rival, or it doesn't. I know some posters get confused b/c they want to turn matchups into more than they are. "
says the south carolina fan.
spot on. in true rivalries the opposing teams and their fans and so focused on their mutual dislike that anyone outside is virtually nonexistent.
says the south carolina fan.
spot on. in true rivalries the opposing teams and their fans and so focused on their mutual dislike that anyone outside is virtually nonexistent.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:01 pm to Bamatab
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In the end, the OP's whole concept of tiers of rivalries is flawed in and of itself. Who am I to tell UF & UT fans that their game isn't a rivalry, even though I personally don't consider it one. If they consider it one, then so be it. Games of national importance and rivalries are two different things. Fans in the state of Mississippi may consider the Egg Bowl a bigger rivalry than the Iron Bowl, and to them it could be. Rivalries are personal and between the two schools, and everyone will rate them differently based on their own loyalties.
Exactly. IDGAF what other schools think of our rivalries
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:12 pm to athens-ga
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says the alabama fan...and yet everybody nationwide cares about the iron bowl? get a grip...alabama was largely irrelevant for years and now auburn is (irrelevant).
Do what? The Iron Bowl is basically the only southern rivalry game that get mentioned in the same breath on a national level as Michigan/OSU or Texas/OU. Whether or not both teams are on top of their game is what is irrelevant. To say college football fans don't consider the Iron Bowl to be a true rivalry, or that it isn't widely discussed in the national media is ignorant at best.
Now with that said, I was wrong in playing the OP's game of trying to rank rivalries. See my previous post for my real views on rivalry games.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:17 pm to NIH
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there's about zero hatred involved in TSIO if you subtract NBamaAlum.
Bro, I like you and all, but eat shite and fricking die.
There is no team on earth I hate more than tennessee and its not even close. My hatred for auburn isn't even in the same universe as Tennessee.
frick those toothless inbred hillbilly motherfrickers.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:24 pm to Bassmanbruno
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Lol calling the egg bowl bigger and more well known than TSIO
I lived in Memphis for 11 years and easily knew of the Egg Bowl before TSIO
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:25 pm to Tds & Beer
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exactly. No rivalry is more heated than the egg bowl. Some are even.
Oh.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:26 pm to athens-ga
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says the south carolina fan.
Disliking a team strongly doesn't mean they are a rival. There are a ton of idiots in our fanbase that consider y'all a real rival, but the ones who know the deal think different.
Clemson
North Carolina
Georgia*
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:34 pm to Tiger Live2
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I lived in Memphis for 11 years and easily knew of the Egg Bowl before TSIO
IF this were true, which it's not, then at least it would be SOMEWHAT believable due to the Ole Miss presence in Memphis. Memphis has always been an ole miss town.
However, the only way it's true is if it was the first game you heard discussion about during the first year your tiny brain was capable of understanding and retaining college football facts.
This post was edited on 8/16/13 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:35 pm to sbrian3915
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The Boot Game: Totally invented rivalry. Games have been good overall, but no one cares when one side sucks.
This is the biggest and textbook definition of an invented rivalry. The game are great and I talk shite to LSU fans but outside of 1965 there really is no significant history behind the two teams. Great game but it was more a creation of the trophy and the fact that there are no other games on wen we play.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:38 pm to Bassmanbruno
LSU and UF for a significant portion of my CFB life has been the biggest game on our schedule most years. I was born in 87, CFB really didn't become an every saturday thing for me till 97. I caught the tale end of the greatness of the UF/UT rivalry, But LSU is important to me. For most of my growing up, really understanding football, this game has been the one circled. LSU vs UF. Georgia and FSU are there of course too, and I certainly hate them more as well as Tennessee. But LSU has always been that one game I can look forward too because I know it will be a great game.
So stop trying to freaking drop it already!
So stop trying to freaking drop it already!
This post was edited on 8/16/13 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 8/16/13 at 2:40 pm to ThaKaptin
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Bro, I like you and all, but eat shite and fricking die.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 3:01 pm to GCTiger11
I knew someone would pull that out and say something about it. 
Eta: the UT hate is just that strong. If you even talk about it in a way I don't like, the hate comes through.
Eta: the UT hate is just that strong. If you even talk about it in a way I don't like, the hate comes through.
This post was edited on 8/16/13 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 8/16/13 at 3:15 pm to ThaKaptin
i would say cocktail party tradionally has more attention than iron bowl. bama was just not relevant from the stallings era until coach saban showed up.
important to people in alabama...absolutely. interesting to other sec fans...sure. but for you to post about the cocktail party being not deserving while ignoring your own big rivalry bowl is unfair.
bama is the class of college football, but unlike bama fans i can actually remember that in the past twenty years you were nothing special...an afterthought in the sec...then saban showed up and all changed.
important to people in alabama...absolutely. interesting to other sec fans...sure. but for you to post about the cocktail party being not deserving while ignoring your own big rivalry bowl is unfair.
bama is the class of college football, but unlike bama fans i can actually remember that in the past twenty years you were nothing special...an afterthought in the sec...then saban showed up and all changed.
This post was edited on 8/16/13 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/16/13 at 3:16 pm to athens-ga
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i would say cocktail party tradionally has more attention than iron bowl.
Posted on 8/16/13 at 3:19 pm to athens-ga
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i would say cocktail party tradionally has more attention than iron bowl. bama was just not relevant from the stallings era until coach saban showed up.
important to people in alabama...absolutely. interesting to other sec fans...sure. but for you to post about the cocktail party being not deserving while ignoring your own big rivalry bowl is unfair.
bama is the class of college football, but unlike bama fans i can actually remember that in the past twenty years you were nothing special...an afterthought in the sec...then saban showed up and all changed.
I agree for the most part. I think the nation doesn't care about Bama vs Auburn at all but it's certainly a top rivalry because of the hatred.
But I guarantee this
There are more fights at the WLOCP pre games than any other CFB in the country on a yearly basis!!!
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