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re: Tide's Richardson has few peers physically
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:25 pm to secftw
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:25 pm to secftw
Anyone claiming that OMac is greater than TR is hanging their hat on the YPC argument. However, I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that, they were just countering your earlier emphasis of the YPC stat. JMO, I have no dog in the fight. I just stuck my nose in where it didn't belong.
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Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:28 pm to WDE24
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Anyone claiming that OMac is greater than TR is hanging their hat on the YPC argument. However, I don't think anyone is seriously arguing that, they were just countering your earlier emphasis of the YPC stat. JMO, I have no dog in the fight. I just stuck my nose in where it didn't belo
and I am not trying to say he is better as the no. 1 running back, but oMac does look better on paper, with all hype put aside
Again, we hear about TR did all this despite being no. 2, well Omac did this as no. 3
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:30 pm to NYCAuburn
quote:True, but I think, as much as we love OMac, any AU fan would trade him for TR in a heartbeat. Especially with our lack of depth at all purpose back.
oMac does look better on paper, with all hype put aside
They serve different roles and OMac excels in his role, but he isn't a work horse, 20 carries a game type back.
ETA: I agree with the point you are making, BTW.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:31 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
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yep he should be good for another 700 yards again this season.
I don't think he got 700 against Auburn last year nor will he this season, but he probably get a little over 100 before they bring in the reserves.....
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:35 pm to WDE24
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any AU fan would trade him for TR in a heartbeat. Especially with our lack of depth at all purpose back
Most def.
However, I would not be saying he is going to better than our heisman winner or even several of our top RB's. Same with Dyer, let him prove a lot more before he is proclaimed better than several of our backs in the last 10,20-30 years
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:36 pm to NYCAuburn
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and I am not trying to say he is better as the no. 1 running back, but oMac does look better on paper, with all hype put aside
On paper, Andrew Luck was an average QB in 2009, but that didn't stop people from lauding him as one of the best QBs in the nation coming into 2010 did it?
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Again, we hear about TR did all this despite being no. 2, well Omac did this as no. 3
If you can't watch them and tell the difference, there is no hope.
And don't say I need to, I watched every play OM was involved with in 2010. I know what he's capable of...
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 5:37 pm
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:39 pm to AtwoodMyst
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I don't think he got 700 against Auburn last year nor will he this season, but he probably get a little over 100 before they bring in the reserves.....
might want to get over a 100 as a team first, against our shitty D's the past few years first, before the smack talk.
Hell TR and Heisman Ingram 60 yds and 81 total
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:40 pm to NYCAuburn
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ot saying in particular, just a large percentage of the fan base as a whole
I think it's more split than you think, which is probably partially due to the gap between the two being so small, and partially due to people saying there will be a drop off with Ingram's departure.
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well last year, all purpose, ypc, and td's='ed while being the 3rd option as a rusher
Not taking into account that the 3rd option and 1st option are on the field at the same time...therefore changing the dynamic of the offense that opposing defenses are facing. Stats would be much more comparable if they were operating out of similar offensive schemes.
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2009 he was injured and played 3 less games, and still had more ypc
You're overlooking so many variables in this...
1. Different offensive dynamic at play here.
2. Ball St stats incredibly inflating the YPC.
3. Less games doesn't factor into YPC as much as it does total yards. If he played more games, he probably would've added more yards, but could've damaged his YPC numbers in the process. Because he played less games, the Ball St game is an even greater factor.
4. Also because he played less games, he played against less ranked opponents.
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All this despite not have the strength of TR
also better yards per kick return both years[/quote]
But less TDs.
I'm absolutely okay with saying McCalebb is a better returner lol
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:44 pm to NYCAuburn
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and I am not trying to say he is better as the no. 1 running back, but oMac does look better on paper, with all hype put aside
Again, we hear about TR did all this despite being no. 2, well Omac did this as no. 3
Again, this doesn't take into account the HUGE difference in offensive schemes these two are operating in. For example, having your "No. 1" back on the field at the same time as your "No. 2" or "No. 3" backs almost every play. My question earlier was, in this situation where TR gets the benefit of defenses having to account for a dual threat such as Cam Newton on the field at the same time, do you think TR would perform better or worse than the Auburn backs in this discussion?
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:49 pm to secftw
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Again, this doesn't take into account the HUGE difference in offensive schemes these two are operating in. For example, having your "No. 1" back on the field at the same time as your "No. 2" or "No. 3" backs almost every play. My question earlier was, in this situation where TR gets the benefit of defenses having to account for a dual threat such as Cam Newton on the field at the same time, do you think TR would perform better or worse than the Auburn backs in this discussion?
FWIW Omac and Dyer were not on the field together a majority of the time. our FB and TE shared the field with the RB most of the time. not to say they were never out there together.
I know what you are trying to say and I believe you know what I am, as well. Hopefully he has a great season.
I am outty 
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:52 pm to NYCAuburn
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FWIW Omac and Dyer were not on the field together a majority of the time.
Not what I meant.
No. 1 back = Cam
No. 2 back = Dyer
No. 3 back = Omac
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I know what you are trying to say and I believe you know what I am, as well. Hopefully he has a great season.
I don't think you do...but it's irrelevant. All just online chatter that is based on paper stats. Obvious problem is comparing statistics that are products of two completely different systems. In other words...its kind of pointless.
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I am outty
Posted on 5/19/11 at 6:03 pm to CrimsonChin
trent richardson is a physical freak who excells in the weight room..yea! hurray! roll tide!! woo-woo!!
all that stuff means nothing if you haven't watched him play. he gives everything he has on every play...never gives up, uses all of that hyped weight room stuff to just bull his way through defenses--you might think he's down, but he keeps on pushing. he might not be "better" than ingram, but the guy is a workhorse, a team player and a total competitor. anyone would LOVE to have t.r. on their team.
and, he's just really fun to watch..the kind of player that makes you love college football.
all that stuff means nothing if you haven't watched him play. he gives everything he has on every play...never gives up, uses all of that hyped weight room stuff to just bull his way through defenses--you might think he's down, but he keeps on pushing. he might not be "better" than ingram, but the guy is a workhorse, a team player and a total competitor. anyone would LOVE to have t.r. on their team.
and, he's just really fun to watch..the kind of player that makes you love college football.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 6:17 pm to CrimsonChin
Just like Mark I. trent has not proved squat when playing Auburn. Tell him not to forget his muscle relaxers when the Crimson Tide heads Southeast in November
Posted on 5/19/11 at 7:04 pm to WDE24
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According to a person I know and trust and who would have inside knowledge, TR has been on roids for years.
That's a pretty strong accusation. Especially since most believe that Robbie Green was suspended for a year for using PEDs. I'm sure Trent gets tested just like the rest.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 7:08 pm to NYCAuburn
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and I am not trying to say he is better as the no. 1 running back, but oMac does look better on paper, with all hype put aside
OMac is too damn skinny. If he tried the shite that TR does, he'd get broke.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 7:09 pm to WarEagleTwentyFour
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Just like Mark I. trent has not proved squat when playing Auburn. Tell him not to forget his muscle relaxers when the Crimson Tide heads Southeast in November
Auburn sells out to the run against Bama, which makes sense. However in doing so the WR's have been able to take advantage of you guys two years in a row.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 7:12 pm to secftw
I think Trent has reached his maximum strength potential - in fact he may have surpassed it. The strength Trent has built thru muscle mass limits fluid motion and perfomance. The line is fine and Trent reached that line last season. I think it hurt his ability to cut and evade tacklers. There's no doubt he's a beast head on.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 5/19/11 at 7:15 pm to secftw
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Auburn sells out to the run against Bama, which makes sense. However in doing so the WR's have been able to take advantage of you guys two years in a row.
Selling out to the run isn't the main reason for that necessarily. WRs have been able to take advantage because our secondary has sucked so bad, it doesn't matter if we're in max coverage or selling out on the run. We still get torched
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 5/19/11 at 7:15 pm to ketchupmoney
Posted on 5/19/11 at 7:16 pm to WarEagleTwentyFour
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Tell him not to forget his muscle relaxers when the Crimson Tide heads Southeast in November
You should pray AU doesn't lose by 50 this year. It's going to be ugly. Back on topic: TR is a monster. He'll be in NY for the Heisman show.
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