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re: The Perfect Playoff System

Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:16 pm to
Posted by BreakawayZou83
Kansas City, Missouri
Member since Oct 2011
9450 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:16 pm to
It should be a 10-team playoff:

1st SEC East
1st SEC West
2nd SEC East
2nd SEC West
3rd SEC East
3rd SEC West
4th SEC East
4th SEC West
5th SEC East
5th SEC West
Posted by Bags of Milk
The Sunny Beaches of Canada
Member since Feb 2013
3322 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:25 pm to
Should just be the 12 best teams, no automatic bids but give higher consideration to P5 conference champions

-First 4 get byes and host second round at home
-5-12 play at higher seed's venue
-Re-seed after each round so highest seed plays lowest seed
-Final 4 play as normal in bowl sites
-NC is up for bids by any site
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

What do you do with the bottom 4 conferences? Give them criteria where they have to be considered as at-large?



I think you and Tiger 2 may have a better handle on this than me, but what Tiger 2 is suggesting, I THINK

1. The Top 8 conferences would be ranked by an objective criteria, such as BCS with the computer algorithm (lets not get stuck here just yet, let me finish)

Then the At-Large would be ranked using the same Ranking Criteria, whatever was used to rank the Conferences. That I think means anyone could get in who may be from much smaller or less thought of conferences.

How now?
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

no automatic bids


No I really think the conference playoff is about as fair as we can expect it to be. Nothing perfect but everyone has a chance to get to their conference playoff and I think top 8 should be in, now the order at which they are ranked, I am ok with some objective measure, such as BCS like
Posted by Cockeee Don
Myrtle Beach, SC
Member since Jul 2014
690 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:40 pm to
The Perfect Playoff System

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Cockeee Don



You guys might just get beat by an FCS team this weekend.

"I'm not understanding the replies here? You dont think an FCS school can ever beat a top FBS school? Highly unlikely, but possible. May can reduce it to 1 team to give that level a chance."



i am dan, East Carolina is NOT an FCS team. In fact they won 10 games last year. I simply said that a fair playoff system cannot exist. I don't know where this FCS stuff came in.
Posted by All4Qtrs
tCapitol
Member since Nov 2013
1056 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

However, having the automatics from the BCS conference winners will do away with rankings and biases (which will be where the screwups come from this year). If your team wins the conference, they are in.


BIG12 would have to pick up 2 more teams at least. and i think all conferences should be required to have a minimum of 14 teams so no complaints could arise from that either
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36107 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:47 pm to
I wouldn't see anything wrong with the top three or four conference champs being automatic bids but I think upping the number to five would devalue the regular season losses too frequently.

It is a RARE midmajor that really deserves a shot. Easy schedules are not entirely their fault but a 1 or 2 loss midmajor just doesn't compare as a rule to a P5 conference champ with 1-2 losses
Posted by Tiger Live2
Westwego, LA
Member since Mar 2012
9590 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

What do you do with the bottom 4 conferences? Give them criteria where they have to be considered as at-large?

2 conference champs would be left out. They can play a bowl, or go into pool of bowl teams like now.
Seeds 1-4 are the top ranked conference champs. Seeds 5-12, just go to best team. So like in 2011, LSU is the 1 seed, gets a bye,OSU 2 etc... Bama would be the 5 seed, play likely the 8th ranked conference champ(12th seed), in BDS. First 2 weeks are played at higher seed.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Sev09
Nantucket
Member since Feb 2011
15555 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

Yeah, I meant FBS Div II. Woops


No such thing.
Posted by joe.liberst
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2012
1002 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:00 pm to
6 teams
1&2 get a bye
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

BIG12 would have to pick up 2 more teams at least. and i think all conferences should be required to have a minimum of 14 teams so no complaints could arise from that either





Would help in a couple of different ways, really not a bad idea.
Posted by QuackAttack716
Member since Aug 2011
1377 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

- AT LEAST 2 teams from Non-Power Conferences (MEAC, AA, USA, Independents, Mid-American, Mountain West, Sun Belt)



This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 1:06 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

A 16 team playoff where winning the MAC or Sun Belt gives you the same standing as winning the Pac 12 or SEC...that is just not acceptable.

They wouldn't have the same standing, they would be seeded 1:16, 2:15, 3:14...8:9.

Chances are that the smaller non-Power5 would get the lowest seeds, therefore would likely lose in the first round - also giving the top teams a virtual automatic advance to the quarter-finals.

Ultimately, there is no better way to determine a champions from so many teams in so many conferences. There is NO WAY to remove bias using any kind of polling/computer/beauty pageant type system.

People who want wild-card at large bids are just scared their team won't cut the muster and want a second chance.

You know who doesn't ask for second chances?

Winners.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

People who want wild-card at large bids are just scared their team won't cut the muster and want a second chance.



You have a point, my position on the At Large is that if your conference is already represented, you can not be AT LARGE, NO SECOND CHANCES

Would this not insure the smaller conferences could get in, Cinderella or whatever ?
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 1:43 pm to
quote:

each conference champion must play in a conference championship game...thus the Big 12 would have to add a couple more teams


I disagree. Playing a full round-robin schedule within a conference produces the truest, most valid champion, and is a LOT better than a divisional set-up with a CG. An SEC champion has to play 9 conference games, including the CG. A Big XII champion would also have to play 9 conference games. I don't think the Big XII should have to add teams and play a CG to get a bid in the playoff.
Posted by All4Qtrs
tCapitol
Member since Nov 2013
1056 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

I don't think the Big XII should have to add teams and play a CG to get a bid in the playoff.


for equality. there should be a standard across the board. and right now Big12 is the individual
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 2:27 pm to
quote:

You have a point, my position on the At Large is that if your conference is already represented, you can not be AT LARGE, NO SECOND CHANCES

Agreed. Champions of Power5 get auto-bids, top three non-Power5 champions get in based on SOS. This gives the little guys a chance, as well as provides fodder for the big boys in the first round. A true tournament of champions.

Would the national champions be the Best Team?

That would be impossible to determine due to the fact that "Best" is a subjective term. The entire point of a play off is to have a system select a champion based on objective criteria, and not a best team based on subjective criteria. The Patriots may have been the best team of the 2007 NFL season - but it didn't matter, they don't award trophies for best team, only champions. And we all accept the NY Giants as NFL champions for the 2007 season - well, all of us except Patriots fans. [Because they're the losers]
Posted by cornhat
Member since Feb 2011
3393 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 2:47 pm to
These are college kids. Let's at least pretend like we care about the classes they take. What's the timeline of these games?

With the extended playoffs and seasons most of you all are referring to, student athletes will definitely get paid.
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:02 pm to
OK, how does this look to everyone? If there is a problem with the wording or I have missed a key element, help me out, word it the way you think it should be or give me the wording for the issue you think I missed.



Make Every College Football Game Count


1. 12 Teams seeded using an objective seeding method chosen by Strength of Schedule and BCS system with computerized alorigthm.

2. All of the Top 8 Conference Champions would be automatically in the playoffs. All conference champions must play 9 conference games to be eligible for automatic bid into top 8.

3. The 4 additional At-Large teams would be included in the playoff system based on the seeding procedure. No team who's conference is already represented in the 8 conference champions can be eligible for At-Large selection.

4. Top 4 Conference Seeds would get a bye in the first round.

5. Seeds 5 through 12: Semi-final games will be played at the higher seeded teams home field. 5th seed would play 12th, 6th would play 11th, 7th would play 10th, 8th would play 9th.

6. First two weeks of playoffs would be played at higher seed home field.

7. All other teams would be go into a pool of bowl teams.

This process keeps the regular season meaningful because everyone will want to finish in the top 4 to earn the Bye. It also insures the smaller conferences a fair shot at the Championship.
This post was edited on 9/3/14 at 3:14 pm
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 9/3/14 at 3:17 pm to
I like it except for a couple of points:

quote:

3. The 4 additional At-Large teams would be included in the playoff system

Why? Why not just leave it at the top 8 conference champions?
quote:

4. Top 4 Conference Seeds would get a bye in the first round.

Why? Why should anyone get a 'bye'? that's kind of pussified, just let the top-seeded teams play the bottom-seeded teams. That's all the advantage they need to get for being the top teams.
quote:

5. Seeds 5 through 12 are chosen by Strength of Schedule and BCS system with computerized alorigthm. Semi-final games will be played at the higher seeded teams home field. 5th seed would play 12th, 6th would play 11th, 7th would play 10th, 8th would play 9th.



If you just stick with the top 8 conference champs, you can avoid all this complicated, convoluted bullshite.

8 teams, 7 games:

4 semi-final games to come from pool of Sugar, Rose, Orange, Cotton, Fiesta, Peach.

2 finals go to bowls not used in semis.

1 Championship game goes to highest bidder.
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