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re: The Lunacy of the LSU 2016 Narrative
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:25 am to SummerOfGeorge
This is an easy post to make in retrospect. First, there is no reason that a team can't go from losing a few games in a row in the last season to having a very successful next season. In fact, LSU did exactly that from 2002 to 2003.
Second, there were several reasons why LSU fans were optimistic. We clearly have the talent, and we had hoped our coach was "woken up" by last year's events.
We were wrong. Obviously. But that doesn't make the narrative "lunacy," just overly optimistic.
Second, there were several reasons why LSU fans were optimistic. We clearly have the talent, and we had hoped our coach was "woken up" by last year's events.
We were wrong. Obviously. But that doesn't make the narrative "lunacy," just overly optimistic.
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Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:26 am to TxTiger82
In retrospect? People have been saying this about the ridiculous LSU hype since May.
And this is why. There is no tangible reason to expect a 10 year coach to all of a sudden "wake up" and change, or for glaring weaknesses to just disappear. It was a snowball of media narrative that just melted away all legitimate concerns about the roster and coaching staff.
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we had hoped our coach was "woken up" by last year's events
And this is why. There is no tangible reason to expect a 10 year coach to all of a sudden "wake up" and change, or for glaring weaknesses to just disappear. It was a snowball of media narrative that just melted away all legitimate concerns about the roster and coaching staff.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 7:30 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:30 am to SummerOfGeorge
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People have been saying this about the ridiculous LSU hype since May.
Most pundits had us doing pretty well. Yes, it is easy to start this thread with the benefit of hindsight. The fact is that all the pieces are there. The only thing that's crazy about any of this is the fact that our coaches can't put it all together.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
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here is no tangible reason to expect a 10 year coach to all of a sudden "wake up" and change
He almost got fired. That's pretty tangible. And he will get fired after this season if we keep heading in this direction. Also pretty tangible.
This was Les' last chance, and he's blowing it. Very little room for error now.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:32 am to TxTiger82
I agree, re-read my post. This is more about the media than LSU fans. Like I said earlier in tbe thread, I feel like most LSU fans were pretty rational about their weaknesses and their hope that they improved (totally reasonable).
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:34 am to TxTiger82
To me the biggest issue is the QB. Auburn has the same problem but at least some hope was put in the JFIII basket but that faded as the summer progressed. You can't win or play championship football with below average QB play. LSU can run LF but that won't win a championship. Auburn kicked its version of LF off and created the most confusing offensive game plan in the history of football as a result.
Why did anyone believe Harris would be significantly better?
Why did anyone believe Harris would be significantly better?
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 7:35 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Like I said earlier in tbe thread, I feel like most LSU fans were pretty rational about their weaknesses and their hope that they improved (totally reasonable).
I've been saying all offseason that Bama is the most talented team in the country and it isn't close. There are only a few teams out there that can compare (e.g., Clemson), and they aren't in the SEC. Doesn't matter who they replace because the replacements are just as good if not better.
I used to be able to say that about LSU, but not anymore. We've got some talent at key positions, but not across the board and not down the depth chart. It is official ... we can no longer hang with Bama.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 7:36 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:37 am to Tigerman97
I agree, but I feel like the QB problems have become such a topic of conversation that all other weaknesses get ignored.
LSU has become average to above average in the trenches, especially on defense. They have great skill guys, but they haven't proven they can dominate the trenches in a long time.
LSU has become average to above average in the trenches, especially on defense. They have great skill guys, but they haven't proven they can dominate the trenches in a long time.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:39 am to Tigerman97
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To me the biggest issue is the QB.
But we take good QBs and turn them into ghosts of themselves.
As a thought experiment, imagine that Brandon Harris chose to attend ... let's say ... TCU. He sits behind Boykin for a couple years and this is his first year starting. Is Brandon Harris a good QB for them this year? Or does he play like a scared child?
I think Harris would be a perfectly good QB in another system or another team that didn't destroy his confidence.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
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SU has become average to above average in the trenches, especially on defense. They have great skill guys, but they haven't proven they can dominate the trenches in a long time.
This is the one aspect that looked better against Wisconsin. With Valentine in the mix, we've got three legit studs on the line (Godchaux and Lewis are the other two).
Now the offensive line looked terrible. TERRIBLE. We aren't winning a lot of games with this line.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:40 am to TxTiger82
Yea I think so too. Harris' pure physical tools are good enough. His brain is just scrambled at this point.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
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His brain is just scrambled at this point.
Exactly. We have not utilized his talents. Instead, we tell him to become something he's not and blame him when he's not successful. With our weak oline and our multi-faceted QB, we should be running a spread.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:45 am to Tigerman97
They'll go 9-3 or 8-4 and Les will still be their coach in 2017.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:54 am to Champagne
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Champagne
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Let's hold the phone and see what LSU's W/L record is just before the game vs Alabama. I have a hunch that if it contains only one loss
Drop that phone...there will be another loss to a certain east team with a smothering defense and who wont have a 5'11 inept QB as last year.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:56 am to reel_gator8
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there will be another loss to a certain east team with a smothering defense and who wont have a 5'11 inept QB as last year
I mean, maybe. If Florida had put out that UMass performance against Wisconsin they would have lost too.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:57 am to Tigerman97
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To me the biggest issue is the QB
Its insanity that we cannot get decent QB play.
Its almost unfathomable.
Our state is loaded and we are the only top dog in it, yet we can't get a good QB play at LSU.
This also has to be a development problem with Miles and Can as well.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 7:59 am
Posted on 9/5/16 at 7:58 am to reel_gator8
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Drop that phone...there will be another loss to a certain east team with a smothering defense and who wont have a 5'11 inept QB as last year.
To be fair, Florida looked absolutely terrible Saturday.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 8:00 am to CBandits82
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To be fair, Florida looked absolutely terrible Saturday
Against a bad program starting basically an entirely new starting line-up.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 8:04 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Against a bad program starting basically an entirely new starting line-up.
This!. First start for our QB,2 RBs,young WRs and right side of Oline. Will improve with experience. -we hope lol-
Defense was solid when they didnt committ dumb penalties.
Posted on 9/5/16 at 8:06 am to dbuchanon
No, I meant UMass. They had the most seniors in CFB in 2015. This was their first game replacing all those guys. Also, they are UMass.
Florida would have lost to Wisconsin too.
Florida would have lost to Wisconsin too.
This post was edited on 9/5/16 at 8:07 am
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