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re: The East is Down myth.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:23 pm to therick711
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:23 pm to therick711
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I feel like you can't read or something.
Well that kind of ironic considering the source.
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The original point was the East is down because their winner got blown out in two fricking title games. You said NUH HUH we weren't blown out to refute that evidence and to (presumably) defend your point. If you weren't using it to defend your point, why did you care that such a characterization was made? Your after the fact justification makes no sense in light of this topic and your OP. Just admit it, you were trying to say (at the least) that Mizzou played Auburn close (lol) and that should be evidence of a strong East or, alternatively, that because we weren't blown out (I think Mizzou was blown out) that it can't be used to show the East's weakness.
Mizzou wasnt blown out in both SEC Title games though. Whats wrong with pointing that out? Im not bragging about that but just because I point that out doenst make its some lame internet driven meme of "OH look at you Moral Victory herp derp"
Like I said, you have built multiple straw men in this thread already. I guess congrats for them I suppose. It would be nice if you actually argued the points being made but Im guessing that will be a long shot at this point.
I anxiously await your next logical fallacy.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:25 pm to kilo
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Like I said, you have built multiple straw men in this thread already.
Name the straw men.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:31 pm to kilo
Maybe when the east can actually win a SECCG they can start talking.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:34 pm to therick711
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Name the straw men.
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Response: it was a three point game before Auburn scored the last 14 points of the game. Also, you gave up 59 fricking points. That's an arse kicking. I know you guys don't really play defense, but even for a team that doesn't give a shite about defense, 59 points is embarrassing. Get over it. They put up 677 yards on Missou, 545 rushing. Nothing to be proud about at all there.
Here is small one bu the whole "moral victory" argument is one huge straw man bro.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:45 pm to kilo
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Here is small one bu the whole "moral victory" argument is one huge straw man bro.
It isn't an argument about a moral victory. It is an argument about whether or not they were "blown out." The moral victory gloss is because of your "it was a three point game at some point in the fourth quarter" which is meaningless. It isn't a straw man to point out that Mizzou's defense got blasted in the face of what you said and to support the fact that they were blown out.
Also to be clear, the "straw men" was one thing that was ancillary to the actual point being made. Your rhetoric teacher must be so proud of you.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:48 pm to therick711
thats fine with me and its the truth the west got exposed like a mfer in them bowl games
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:49 pm to therick711
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It isn't an argument about a moral victory. It is an argument about whether or not they were "blown out." The moral victory gloss is because of your "it was a three point game at some point in the fourth quarter" which is meaningless. It isn't a straw man to point out that Mizzou's defense got blasted in the face of what you said and to support the fact that they were blown out.
Jesus christ. Who said Mizzou's defense didnt get blasted? Are you building another straw man? Auburns defense got blasted as well. Whats does that prove to the greater point of the tread? No more arguing your straw men. Sorry pal.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:53 pm to kilo
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Jesus christ. Who said Mizzou's defense didnt get blasted? Are you building another straw man? Auburns defense got blasted as well. Whats does that prove to the greater point of the tread? No more arguing your straw men. Sorry pal.
You can keep acting frustrated and putting labels on things, but the fact remains that my refutation of your premise in this thread and your minor premises herein remains unrefuted. I've absolutely crushed you rhetorically, especially considering you had the ground with your premise in the OP. You didn't provide any evidence that convinced anyone. So you can keep screaming logical fallacy and acting exasperated, but that bottom line is that your premise failed. Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:54 pm to therick711
This topic just never get's old or boring
And when you consider in 2008 the east won the natty and in 2014 the east champ lost to Indiana the east has dropped further than Scrooster's huevos.
And when you consider in 2008 the east won the natty and in 2014 the east champ lost to Indiana the east has dropped further than Scrooster's huevos.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 2:05 pm to kilo
I don't understand why Missouri fans try to argue this SO OFTEN. Why is it so important for you to believe the East was as strong as ever? What the frick does it matter? You won.
I mean, it's actually kind of pathetic how you all keep bringing this up.
But the reality is, the SEC got throttled in OOC play in 2014. Clearly a down year for the division.
The traditional powers (UGA, UT, and UF) the only three teams to win the SECCG in the division, have been down for a while. UT for 10 years, UF for 5 (other than 2012) and UGA has been only above average outside of 2012. USCe filled the void for a few years, but even they just finished a 7-6 season. Kentucky and Vandy are perennial cellar dwellers.
Enjoy your SEC division win. Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether it was up or down. Missouri won. Now let it go.
I mean, it's actually kind of pathetic how you all keep bringing this up.
But the reality is, the SEC got throttled in OOC play in 2014. Clearly a down year for the division.
The traditional powers (UGA, UT, and UF) the only three teams to win the SECCG in the division, have been down for a while. UT for 10 years, UF for 5 (other than 2012) and UGA has been only above average outside of 2012. USCe filled the void for a few years, but even they just finished a 7-6 season. Kentucky and Vandy are perennial cellar dwellers.
Enjoy your SEC division win. Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether it was up or down. Missouri won. Now let it go.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 2:15 pm to slayerxing
Mizzou benefitted from weakest UF and UT teams in 30 fricking years. Deny it all you want, but deep down in your convenience store burning hearts, you know it's true.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 2:23 pm to slayerxing
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I don't understand why Missouri fans try to argue this SO OFTEN. Why is it so important for you to believe the East was as strong as ever? What the frick does it matter? You won.
I mean, it's actually kind of pathetic how you all keep bringing this up.
Or maybe its fun to bring it up?
Posted on 1/20/15 at 2:38 pm to kilo
Bringing up the SECCG is a terrible way to compare the divisions. That is the exact same as saying the Big 10 is better than the SEC because Ohio State beat Alabama. One game does not a season make.
"East is down"....the East will always be at a disadvantage in strength of division due to Vandy and Kentucky. Of all the years to say that the East was down, I would say that this was one..but not 2013.
6-6 teams. In the world that I live in, I judge teams based off of wins and losses. To me, Arkansas and Tenn had very similar seasons, 6-6.
This year was an anomaly. I don't think that we will ever again see an entire division go bowling.
At the end of the day, 2 teams win their divisions and go to Atlanta. Every other fan base trying to pump up their team is just full of shite.
If Mizzou wins the East again, great. If they don't, whatever team that did deserved it.
If you're not in Atlanta...it's not your fight.
"East is down"....the East will always be at a disadvantage in strength of division due to Vandy and Kentucky. Of all the years to say that the East was down, I would say that this was one..but not 2013.
6-6 teams. In the world that I live in, I judge teams based off of wins and losses. To me, Arkansas and Tenn had very similar seasons, 6-6.
This year was an anomaly. I don't think that we will ever again see an entire division go bowling.
At the end of the day, 2 teams win their divisions and go to Atlanta. Every other fan base trying to pump up their team is just full of shite.
If Mizzou wins the East again, great. If they don't, whatever team that did deserved it.
If you're not in Atlanta...it's not your fight.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 3:04 pm to 5thTiger
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Bringing up the SECCG is a terrible way to compare the divisions. That is the exact same as saying the Big 10 is better than the SEC because Ohio State beat Alabama. One game does not a season make.
One game - I see your point. But we are now talking about 6 championship games in a row and several of them blowouts. In addition to that, I think the West is 69-34 overall against the East during the streak. In addition to that the West has won 4 NCs to 0 for the East during that streak. The comparison is pretty clear.
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