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re: The East is Down myth.

Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:51 pm to
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If your going to try to make that argument then please come up with some different info.

What I've seen so far isn't working.


huh?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25097 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:52 pm to
You got blown out.

Response: it was a three point game before Auburn scored the last 14 points of the game. Also, you gave up 59 fricking points. That's an arse kicking. I know you guys don't really play defense, but even for a team that doesn't give a shite about defense, 59 points is embarrassing. Get over it. They put up 677 yards on Missou, 545 rushing. Nothing to be proud about at all there.
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:52 pm to
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2012 was one of the top 3 East seasons EVER


What year is it? Is it 2015?



In the two years since then you've had fewer ranked teams and more SECCG blowouts.

The East was shite in the two years before 2012 as well. It's pretty clear that 2012 was an outlier year for the East.

I think it's funny you keep bringing up 2012. UF and UGA were the clear best teams that year. Since then they have both declined (sorry to keep using that word), and the perceptions of the East has declined with them.

The East goes as UF, UT and UGA go. It would be nice if USCe or Mizzou could make a SECCG and not get blown out, but until that happens the East is a shite division.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 12:54 pm
Posted by SwampyLSU
Member since Aug 2014
1605 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:54 pm to
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And the defending East champ lost to Indiana at home


Just face it man the east isn't what it once was and when it was Missouri wasn't even a though. Y'all have a good coach but I can't see y'all winning the sec anytime soon
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 1:00 pm
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27423 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:57 pm to
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In the two years since then you've had fewer ranked teams and more SECCG blowouts.

The East was shite in the two years before 2012 as well. It's pretty clear that 2012 was an outlier year for the East.

I think it's funny you keep bringing up 2012. UF and UGA were the clear best teams that year. Since then they have both declined (sorry to keep using that word), and the perceptions of the East has declined with them.

The East goes as UF, UT and UGA go. It would be nice if USCe or Mizzou could make a SECCG and not get blown out, but until that happens if the Big 3 are out of it the East is a shite division.




What a load of bullshite.

I provided clear context and data that points to the relative strength of the SEC East from year to year since its inception. Its right there.

You can continue to ignore that all you want. Just for complete clarity; my point was never Mizzou is winning the East at its peak but niehter has it done so anywhere near its worst historically.

Posted by SwampyLSU
Member since Aug 2014
1605 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 12:58 pm to
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The East goes as UF, UT and UGA go.


Exactly. This is the bama, auburn, and lsu of the east. If none of these teams can pick it up then the east remain in a downward trend
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27423 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:00 pm to
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You got blown out.


We didnt get blown out. You can keep saying that doesnt make it anymore true. Turning the ball over on downs on your own 10 yard line and letting the other teams score late in the game doesnt make a"blowout"
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25097 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:02 pm to
How many points and yards did they need to put up before it was a blow out. 900 yards and 700 of them rushing? Did they need 77 points? Did they need to win by 24 points. Did they have to maintain that lead for three quarters? If nothing else Auburn registered a moral blowout. Missouri registered a moral competitve game. Good job?
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:05 pm to
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I provided clear context and data that points to the relative strength of the SEC East from year to year since its inception. Its right there.


I see that. There were some down periods back then too.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27423 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:05 pm to
Well frick, Mizzou put up the 5th most yards in SEC Championship game history in that game as well to go along with what Auburn did. No one was playing defense in that game.

It wasnt a blowout. If Mizzou punts the ball there at the end its a 10 point Auburn victory.

What kind of shite sideways world do you live in.

Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25097 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:07 pm to
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Well frick, Mizzou put up the 5th most yards in SEC Championship game history in that game as well to go along with what Auburn did. No one was playing defense in that game.

It wasnt a blowout. If Mizzou punts the ball there at the end its a 10 point Auburn victory.

What kind of shite sideways world do you live in.


Congrats on the moral statistics title. Most yards by a losing team, too, I bet.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27423 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:08 pm to
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Congrats on the moral statistics title. Most yards by a losing team, too, I bet.


I get that you are trying to reel me in. Im not sure you understand what a "moral victory" really is in relation to whats being argued here.
Posted by CapstoneGrad06
Little Rock
Member since Nov 2008
72183 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:08 pm to
42-13 was a blowout though.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25097 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:09 pm to
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I get that you are trying to reel me in. Im not sure you understand what a "moral victory" really is in relation to whats being argued here.



You didn't get blown out is the VERY frickING DEFINITION OF A MORAL VICTORY! That is why the term was invented, jackalope.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27423 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:09 pm to
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42-13 was a blowout though.


Yes
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25192 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:12 pm to
The simple answer to all this is that the East will be considered down as long as a lowly expansion team wins the division. Should Georgia or Florida win then the East is back.

If Arkansas or Texas A&M should win the West any time soon then obviously the West is down and will continue to be so until Alabama, LSU, or Auburn wins it.

Mizzou having the sheer unmitigated gall to win their bowl game when the Western powerhouses collapsed in theirs only, using logic so twisted and insane that Charles Manson throws his hands up and declares "that's nuts", proves this in their minds.

You cannot win this argument. In fact trying to do so opens one of those if you stare into the abyss too long it stares back moments. Just nod politely, go about your business, and pray this form of madness isn't catching.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27423 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:12 pm to
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You didn't get blown out is the VERY frickING DEFINITION OF A MORAL VICTORY! That is why the term was invented, jackalope.


No its not.

If I were bragging about "not getting blown out" and satisfied with hat result that would be a moral victory. Im just saying we were not blown out in response to someone saying we were by providing facts that back my argument.

jackalope? really a-hole?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25097 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:13 pm to
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If I were bragging about "not getting blown out" and satisfied with hat result that would be a moral victory. Im just saying we were not blown out in response to someone saying we were by providing facts that back my argument.


You were. You were offering "not being blown out" in defense of the East's strength. Auburn kicked the shite out of Mizzou. 545 yards rushing is crazy stupid bad.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27423 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:15 pm to
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You were. You were offering "not being blown out" in defense of the East's strength.


No. I was offering "not being blown out" in response to someone saying we were "blown out".

Its not rocket science here princess.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25097 posts
Posted on 1/20/15 at 1:18 pm to
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No. I was offering "not being blown out" in response to someone saying we were "blown out".

Its not rocket science here princess.



I feel like you can't read or something. The original point was the East is down because their winner got blown out in two fricking title games. You said NUH HUH we weren't blown out to refute that evidence and to (presumably) defend your point. If you weren't using it to defend your point, why did you care that such a characterization was made? Your after the fact justification makes no sense in light of this topic and your OP. Just admit it, you were trying to say (at the least) that Mizzou played Auburn close (lol) and that should be evidence of a strong East or, alternatively, that because Mizzou wasn't blown out (I think Mizzou was blown out) that it can't be used to show the East's weakness.

It is real simple, you just can't seem to follow it.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 1:21 pm
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