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re: The CFB Playoff Worked Exactly As Planned
Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:42 am to jledet
Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:42 am to jledet
TCU nearly lost to WVU and Kansas, that's hardly consistent.
Look, I agree a B12 team deserved to be in the playoff. 5 teams deserved to be there. TCU wasn't one of them. They played a B12 schedule that had exactly how many good teams? 2? KSU and Baylor, and they lost to Baylor.
Both Texas and Oklahoma got blown out, and WVU and Baylor lost. Hell Baylor was the B12 champ and lost to the #3 B1G team. If the B12 had a CC, you'd have a better argument for Baylor or TCU being in the playoff, but TCU didn't even win their conference.
Look, I agree a B12 team deserved to be in the playoff. 5 teams deserved to be there. TCU wasn't one of them. They played a B12 schedule that had exactly how many good teams? 2? KSU and Baylor, and they lost to Baylor.
Both Texas and Oklahoma got blown out, and WVU and Baylor lost. Hell Baylor was the B12 champ and lost to the #3 B1G team. If the B12 had a CC, you'd have a better argument for Baylor or TCU being in the playoff, but TCU didn't even win their conference.
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Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:51 am to jledet
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jledet
What your argument tells me is simply that the playoffs should include more than four teams.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 7:52 am to cokebottleag
Bama didn't even win their division in 2011 but you can hardly make a case for them that they weren't the best team that year. Winning a conference is important but doesn't disqualify you.
Let's look at who bama beat as well because the big 12 was bad but the SEC wasn't great.
Texas a and m got overly hyped because they beat a Carolina team week one that turned out to be awful.
Arkansas even though they struggled to beat them and very well should have lost that game, I feel like arkansas was playing their best ball down the stretch but was still a bottom feeder of the conference
LSU should have beat bama as well but would have could have should have. LSU wasn't a good team this either as the back half of the season proved
Florida was a bad team
Mississippi state was ranked 1 for much of the year but that ranking came from them beating LSU and texas a and m, that proved to be very average wins.
Auburn was a decent win for bama although they got skull drug by Georgia
Tennessee barely made a bowl, good win?!? Meh
Missouri good win anytime you win your side of the division can qualify as a good win
West Virginia.... Bama struggled with them for much of the game as well.
Ole miss. They lost! TCU beat this team by almost 6 touchdowns.
TCU lost to Baylor on the road who just happened to have a case for the playoff as well
Let's look at who bama beat as well because the big 12 was bad but the SEC wasn't great.
Texas a and m got overly hyped because they beat a Carolina team week one that turned out to be awful.
Arkansas even though they struggled to beat them and very well should have lost that game, I feel like arkansas was playing their best ball down the stretch but was still a bottom feeder of the conference
LSU should have beat bama as well but would have could have should have. LSU wasn't a good team this either as the back half of the season proved
Florida was a bad team
Mississippi state was ranked 1 for much of the year but that ranking came from them beating LSU and texas a and m, that proved to be very average wins.
Auburn was a decent win for bama although they got skull drug by Georgia
Tennessee barely made a bowl, good win?!? Meh
Missouri good win anytime you win your side of the division can qualify as a good win
West Virginia.... Bama struggled with them for much of the game as well.
Ole miss. They lost! TCU beat this team by almost 6 touchdowns.
TCU lost to Baylor on the road who just happened to have a case for the playoff as well
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:08 am to jledet
2011 can't be used as a comparison; we're using a different method to pick contenders than we did then.
We still finished 8-5 with a bowl win. Not great, but not awful either.
This is a point -towards- SEC superiority, not against.
LSU was a good team with a quality OOC win vs Wisky and wins over A&M and OM.
Yep.
Both teams with winning records.
Auburn was definitely overrated this year.
Meh.
Agreed. Something TCU didn't do.
A win is a win. WVU beat Baylor, so......
Agreed, OM definitely sucked it up in the bowl, however they were a 9-3 team (#4/5 in the conference) playing the #2 B12 team (11-1). Let's not compare this as total equals.
A better case. Baylor won their conference.
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Texas a and m got overly hyped because they beat a Carolina team week one that turned out to be awful.
We still finished 8-5 with a bowl win. Not great, but not awful either.
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Arkansas even though they struggled to beat them and very well should have lost that game, I feel like arkansas was playing their best ball down the stretch but was still a bottom feeder of the conference
This is a point -towards- SEC superiority, not against.
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LSU should have beat bama as well but would have could have should have. LSU wasn't a good team this either as the back half of the season proved
LSU was a good team with a quality OOC win vs Wisky and wins over A&M and OM.
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Florida was a bad team
Yep.
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Mississippi state was ranked 1 for much of the year but that ranking came from them beating LSU and texas a and m, that proved to be very average wins.
Both teams with winning records.
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Auburn was a decent win for bama although they got skull drug by Georgia
Auburn was definitely overrated this year.
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Tennessee barely made a bowl, good win?!? Meh
Meh.
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Missouri good win anytime you win your side of the division can qualify as a good win
Agreed. Something TCU didn't do.
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West Virginia.... Bama struggled with them for much of the game as well.
A win is a win. WVU beat Baylor, so......
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Ole miss. They lost! TCU beat this team by almost 6 touchdowns.
Agreed, OM definitely sucked it up in the bowl, however they were a 9-3 team (#4/5 in the conference) playing the #2 B12 team (11-1). Let's not compare this as total equals.
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TCU lost to Baylor on the road who just happened to have a case for the playoff as well
A better case. Baylor won their conference.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:19 am to jledet
The committee did its job. Yeah TCU will always wonder, but oh well.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:45 am to cokebottleag
While I agree Baylor had a case for the playoff I would disagree better case.
Big 12 has them listed as co champs. Yea they won the tie breaker but also lost the wvu.
Remember the whole who had a worst loss argument. TCU had a better body of work. Ooc they beat down Minnesota. Baylor played a texas a and m ooc schedule.
TCU lost to a ranked team on the road, Baylor lost to wvu.
With all that said who knows how the committee decides but it looks as if conference title games get preference. Knowing what we know now big 12 needs to add that game.
Big 12 has them listed as co champs. Yea they won the tie breaker but also lost the wvu.
Remember the whole who had a worst loss argument. TCU had a better body of work. Ooc they beat down Minnesota. Baylor played a texas a and m ooc schedule.
TCU lost to a ranked team on the road, Baylor lost to wvu.
With all that said who knows how the committee decides but it looks as if conference title games get preference. Knowing what we know now big 12 needs to add that game.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:46 am to TDFreak
Yeah remove the SEC benefit of the doubt and we lost. Imagine that.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:50 am to TDFreak
I loved the playoff this year and would like to see it expand to 6 or 8. I am all for an extra couple weeks of meaningful football.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:50 am to jledet
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One team was put in based on the conference success and how strong the conference was perceived to be. Not a troll attempt but the sec didn't deserve to put a team in this year
Of course we did. You can say TCU should have gotten in, but Alabama had a better resume.
The SECW was inflated, yes. But that wasn't totally obvious to everyone. Predicting Ole Miss, mediocre in every respect, would get pummeled was not difficult.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:53 am to Pettifogger
I for one did not think ole miss would get drugged 42-3.
Ole miss defense had been stout all year
Ole miss defense had been stout all year
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:53 am to TxTiger82
About TCU not getting in, thats the committee's biggest gaff all year.
Of all 5 teams who had 1 loss, their loss was the best. The fact that their brand name left them out was idiotic. The co-champs came back to bite them, but if I had to guess, THE B12 office saw TCU ranked 3rd 2 weeks away and figured that was their best chance to get a team in. They couldn't claim TCU as champion so they did the next best thing.
TCU will definitely cloud this season's persona as "true national champion"
Of all 5 teams who had 1 loss, their loss was the best. The fact that their brand name left them out was idiotic. The co-champs came back to bite them, but if I had to guess, THE B12 office saw TCU ranked 3rd 2 weeks away and figured that was their best chance to get a team in. They couldn't claim TCU as champion so they did the next best thing.
TCU will definitely cloud this season's persona as "true national champion"
Posted on 1/2/15 at 8:55 am to 5thTiger
Thank you sir. Someone gets it
Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:07 am to jledet
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The CFB Playoff Worked Exactly As Planned
....and guaranteed the SEC could not win another MNC.
I disagree with the premise.
The SEC pushed for the 4 team playoff in hopes of getting 2 (or more) teams in.
This post was edited on 1/2/15 at 9:13 am
Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:10 am to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:yes i can. SEC officiating cheated at the end of regulation against LSU to get them into the playoffs.
Oh TCU deserved to be there, no doubt. But there is no way you can argue Bama didn't earn their way into the playoff.
Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:14 am to fillmoregandt
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I hope they keep it at 4 teams rather than expand each time someone gets left out. It needs to be difficult to make it in, and there will be years when there aren't necessarily 6 or 8 teams worthy of making it
Posted on 1/2/15 at 9:20 am to jledet
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TCU resume was much more impressive than anyone else's.
See, this is how I know most people are not paying attention.
One team most assuredly had a better resume than TCU - BAYLOR. You know, the team with the identical record AND beat them head-to-head?
Both had close wins over teams that didn't do well during the regular season. Both had 11-1 records at the end of the season.
But no, TCU's resume was not better than "anyone else's". You can't use bowl results as some kind of time-travel aspect in determining who should have been invited to the playoffs.
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