re: The biggest bowl win for each coach compared to total games coached.

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Oh my bad, so why did LSU let him finish out the year again?

Because that was the reason they said they let him finish out the year to help maintain the recruiting class.

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Because of his buyout. You aren't even worth arguing with your takes are so bad. I'll just leave this here for anyone interested in how broken the program was by the time he left. But yeah, he did the program a great service by making millions of dollars serving out the season.

Inside the unraveling of Ed Orgeron's LSU tenure in just 21 months

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Brian Kelly - 255 (Citrus Bowl)

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Ouch. This is the part LSU fans can’t understand. They see the bright side of a coach with a ton of experience and overall wins. The rest of us see a coach with every opportunity to win meaningful games over a long career at ND who literally always embarrassed himself when put in the games a brand like ND affords you.

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They see the bright side of a coach with a ton of experience and overall wins. The rest of us see a coach with every opportunity to win meaningful games over a long career at ND who literally always embarrassed himself when put in the games a brand like ND affords you.

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Saban lost to UAB and got blown out in the Cotton Bowl before he won his first national title.

LSU fans don't care what the rest of you see. 90% of you are smooth-brained dumbshits who need ESPN and the media to tell you what to think.

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So your AD didn't say that and Orgeron didn't finish out the season?

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There are are litanies of articles on this for you to read. But you don't want to do that.

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Because of his buyout. You aren't even worth arguing with your takes are so bad. I'll just leave this here for anyone interested in how broken the program was by the time he left. But yeah, he did the program a great service by making millions of dollars serving out the season.

Inside the unraveling of Ed Orgeron's LSU tenure in just 21 months

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Oh, and just because

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There are are litanies of articles on this for you to read. But you don't want to do that.

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I already know the truth, I'm just curious to see what kind of excuses and crap you guys will make.

You wanna see what happens when a coach does nothing to help a program on his way out? Check out Dooley and Tennessee.

I find it hard to get a good idea of Napier

From the outside, it really seems like Florida's NIL situation started off as toxic which 1) is pretty hard to gauge how it messes your program up 2) hard to lay at Napier's feet

Gotta roll with the punches but I really think the whole Florida athletic program is a bit slower on the uptake with the landscape.

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LSU paid his buyout in full did they not? The article I linked said LSU will pay the remaining $16.95 million on his contract.

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They paid his full buyout as it stood at the end of the season. By waiting until the end of the season to terminate him, the buyout was less under the terms of his contract.

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In 2022, LSU had the #15 class with 1 5 star, 6 4 stars and 8 3 stars. An average of 90.56

In 2022, Florida has the #19 class, 0 5 stars, 7 4 stars and 11 3 stars with an average of 87.45

That was the class they both came in on.

In 2021, Florida #13, LSU #4. LSU had only 2 3 star players, Florida had 11. 92.07 average vs 89.02

2020, Florida #8, 90.40 average with 1 5 star and 6 3 star. LSU #4, 92.66 average and 3 5 star and 3 3 star.

Seriously, how in the hell are you going to pretend like LSU was in anywhere near the same shape as Florida?

Are LSU fans really this fricking desperate to make excuses for Brian Kelly's 7 losses over the past 2 years?

And don't give me shite about BK only inherited a few scholarships. He was hired at the end of November, any that transferred out did so after he was the HC, and he was there to maintain the players, finish out the recruiting class and make it as seamless as possible, with your former head coach in full support to the point in which he could keep his dick in his pants.

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You can focus on star rankings if you want to. The fact of the matter is that from coaches to players, these individuals are human beings, and the entire culture around the program was toxic from top to bottom when Orgeron left.

When Kelly arrived, we had people in the football ops building who didn't even know what their job descriptions were. He had to completely clean house. Orgeron was prancing around town with a bunch of gold diggers when he should have been coaching the team. Orgeron's right hand man and "chief talent scout", Derek Ponamansky, is a convicted felon and a grifter who only got the job because he kissed Orgeron's arse on local radio before LSU fired Miles. He had zero qualifications for the job. Ponamsky's idea of scouting was getting on 247 and telling Orgeron who the highest ranked recruits were.

In his last year as coach, we had two coordinators who had never been coordinators before. Our OC, Jake Peetz, couldn't even get a play call in on time for most of the game. Why? Because no coordinator worth his salt wanted to coach under Orgeron. He's an idiot who has zero respect in the coaching community. Steve Ensminger and Dave Aranda managed to keep the ship afloat until they left. After that, it was all downhill.

Read the article. Throwing tantrums in the locker room? Publicly calling out UCLA fans for their "sissy blue shirts" while walking into the stadium before the game? Covering up allegations of sexual harassment and abuse? Who does that? A dumb fricking coonass from Lafourche Parish, Louisiana who had no business running a Top 15 college football program in the first place. That's who. Players and coaches describing the program as "broken".

That's what Kelly inherited, and that is what he has been tasked with fixing from top to bottom. You can make a valid argument that Orgeron left him with the biggest cluster frick of a program when he left than any coach has ever inherited. And everyone with an ounce of sense saw it coming from a mile away when Joe Alleva's dumb arse hired Orgeron.

I can't speak to the situation at Florida when Mullen left. He has been criticized for his failure to recruit top talent, but I would venture a guess that the culture of the program was in better shape when he left than it was at LSU. Mullen is a lot of things, but he's not a moron.

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They paid his full buyout as it stood at the end of the season. By waiting until the end of the season to terminate him, the buyout was less under the terms of his contract.

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You paid the same amount either way. Sorry, this dog ain't hunting.

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You can focus on star rankings if you want to. The fact of the matter is that from coaches to players, these individuals are human beings, and the entire culture around the program was toxic from top to bottom when Orgeron left.

When Kelly arrived, we had people in the football ops building who didn't even know what their job descriptions were. He had to completely clean house. Orgeron was prancing around town with a bunch of gold diggers when he should have been coaching the team. Orgeron's right hand man and "chief talent scout", Derek Ponamansky, is a convicted felon and a grifter who only got the job because he kissed Orgeron's arse on local radio before LSU fired Miles. He had zero qualifications for the job. Ponamsky's idea of scouting was getting on 247 and telling Orgeron who the highest ranked recruits were.

In his last year as coach, we had two coordinators who had never been coordinators before. Our OC, Jake Peetz, couldn't even get a play call in on time for most of the game. Why? Because no coordinator worth his salt wanted to coach under Orgeron. He's an idiot who has zero respect in the coaching community. Steve Ensminger and Dave Aranda managed to keep the ship afloat until they left. After that, it was all downhill.

Read the article. Throwing tantrums in the locker room? Publicly calling out UCLA fans for their "sissy blue shirts" while walking into the stadium before the game? Covering up allegations of sexual harassment and abuse? Who does that? A dumb fricking coonass from Lafourche Parish, Louisiana who had no business running a Top 15 college football program in the first place. That's who. Players and coaches describing the program as "broken".

That's what Kelly inherited, and that is what he has been tasked with fixing from top to bottom. You can make a valid argument that Orgeron left him with the biggest cluster frick of a program when he left than any coach has ever inherited. And everyone with an ounce of sense saw it coming from a mile away when Joe Alleva's dumb arse hired Orgeron.

I can't speak to the situation at Florida when Mullen left. He has been criticized for his failure to recruit top talent, but I would venture a guess that the culture of the program was in better shape when he left than it was at LSU. Mullen is a lot of things, but he's not a moron.

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Most of that doesn't make a bit of difference and just reflects poorly on Orgeron. Not to mention the majority of LSU fans ate it up until he wasn't winning big games.

You still have a support system that is above par and above Florida. Spend 10+ years without winning much of anything and hiring new coaches every 3 years and then see how much support your boosters and such have. The same shite happened at Alabama before Saban.

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You seem desperate to portray LSU and Florida as vastly different situations and they just weren't.

Since you don't want to discuss what each coach inherited, let's look at the team talent composite comparisons for the 2022 season.

LSU - 874.24
72 players
5 5*
33 4*
30 3*

Florida - 842.54
81 players
4 5*
39 4*
36 3*

So basically, LSU had one more 5*.

Wow, what a vast gulf.

And LSU lost one of their 5 * to injury for the year on like the first drive of the first game. Boutte was another one, and was basically a non factor all year. A third was John Emery who missed several games and only had about 375 yards rushing all year.

Where's this big difference?

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You are citing overall numbers and LSU is #8 and Florida is #14 despite the fact Florida has 9 more players than LSU.

Because your average recruit was more than a full point higher.

I have no idea what Florida's injuries were, don't really care.