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The argument against an 8 team playoff
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:59 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 12:59 am
Boils down to this: What is more fair:
1.) 1 loss LSU conference loser in 4th place over 12-1 Oregon conference champ
Or
2.) 8 team playoff where LSU has to rematch 3 teams it beat or played already in the regular season: Georgia, Alabama, and maybe Florida/Auburn.
The difference between 12-1 LSU and 12-1 Oregon is razor thin. 4 quality wins vs 1, conference champ vs not, and Oregon barely losing to Auburn across the country and LSU barely winning over Auburn at home.
On the flip side, its much more egregious that LSU would have to rematch 2+ top 8 teams it already beat. That makes the regular season worthless for tough conferences.
1.) 1 loss LSU conference loser in 4th place over 12-1 Oregon conference champ
Or
2.) 8 team playoff where LSU has to rematch 3 teams it beat or played already in the regular season: Georgia, Alabama, and maybe Florida/Auburn.
The difference between 12-1 LSU and 12-1 Oregon is razor thin. 4 quality wins vs 1, conference champ vs not, and Oregon barely losing to Auburn across the country and LSU barely winning over Auburn at home.
On the flip side, its much more egregious that LSU would have to rematch 2+ top 8 teams it already beat. That makes the regular season worthless for tough conferences.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:02 am
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Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:03 am to SuperKyle
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Boils down to this: What is more fair: 1.) 1 loss LSU conference loser in 4th place over 12-1 Oregon conference champ Or 2.) 8 team playoff where LSU has to rematch 3 teams it beat or played already in the regular season: Georgia, Alabama, and maybe Florida/Auburn. The difference between 12-1 LSU and 12-1 Oregon is razor thin. 4 quality wins vs 1, conference champ vs not, and Oregon barely losing to Auburn across the country and LSU barely winning over Auburn at home. On the flip side, its much more egregious that LSU would have to rematch 2+ top 8 teams it already beat. That makes the regular season worthless for tough conferences.
So in other words you are scared for LSU rematch against other teams and might lose?
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:06 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:05 am to TrueLefty
No, I am saying the cost of LSU and Georgia both going if Georgia wins out is less than the cost of LSU rematching 2 other top 8 teams it already beat. To me that makes the regular season feel less impactful. Thats why college football is unique and these rivalries mean more.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:07 am to SuperKyle
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No, I am saying the cost of LSU and Georgia both going if Georgia wins out is less than the cost of LSU rematching 2 other top 8 teams it already beat. To me that makes the regular season feel less impactful. Thats why college football is unique and these rivalries mean more.
LSU/Alabama rematch in Championship game?
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:08 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:26 am to SuperKyle
This is an unpopular opinion, but I think we either need to (a) expand the playoff to include all 10 FBS conference champions (e.g., a 12-team structure like the NFL with 10 automatic bids and 2 at large bids with a first-round bye for the Top 4), or (b) relegate the Group of Five to FCS.
FBS football is the only division of any NCAA sport where half the teams have no chance of winning the championship before the season even begins. This is frankly absurd. Either include them or admit that they are a lower tier of football.
I also think conference championships should mean something. Why have conferences at all if winning them doesn't mean anything?
These are big-picture ideas, not tied to any particular season or team. They are also logical, and most CFB fans will bend over backwards to make illogical arguments against these points.
FBS football is the only division of any NCAA sport where half the teams have no chance of winning the championship before the season even begins. This is frankly absurd. Either include them or admit that they are a lower tier of football.
I also think conference championships should mean something. Why have conferences at all if winning them doesn't mean anything?
These are big-picture ideas, not tied to any particular season or team. They are also logical, and most CFB fans will bend over backwards to make illogical arguments against these points.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:28 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:49 am to TxTiger82
I was with you until this popular opinion:
No, just no. There are often 2-loss conference champions and more than a few 1-loss teams in other conferences. I don't think winning a crappy conference should be an automatic qualifier.
ETA: Something definitely needs to be done with G5 teams, though. They have NO shot.
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I also think conference championships should mean something.
No, just no. There are often 2-loss conference champions and more than a few 1-loss teams in other conferences. I don't think winning a crappy conference should be an automatic qualifier.
ETA: Something definitely needs to be done with G5 teams, though. They have NO shot.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:51 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:57 am to finestfirst79
I don’t disagree. I personally think the ‘98 Tulane team could’ve competed with most P5 schools, but they’re definitely the outlier.
This post was edited on 11/13/19 at 1:57 am
Posted on 11/13/19 at 1:58 am to TxTiger82
An interesting note
In FCS, there are 124 teams currently. The 10 conference champions are automatic qualifiers and there are 14 at large invites. The 8 highest seeds have a bye, while the bottom 16 play the first round and then the playoff continues from there. That is 15 total games, or a 3-4 game postseason.
Would this work for the FBS by simply moving it to different Bowl game sites, I don’t think so. There would be too much fatigue among fans having to travel 3-4 times for the playoffs. So what is needed is a location or three to hold these games on a rotating basis, i.e. the first and second rounds of sixteen split between two locations, and semifinals and championship at another.
In FCS, there are 124 teams currently. The 10 conference champions are automatic qualifiers and there are 14 at large invites. The 8 highest seeds have a bye, while the bottom 16 play the first round and then the playoff continues from there. That is 15 total games, or a 3-4 game postseason.
Would this work for the FBS by simply moving it to different Bowl game sites, I don’t think so. There would be too much fatigue among fans having to travel 3-4 times for the playoffs. So what is needed is a location or three to hold these games on a rotating basis, i.e. the first and second rounds of sixteen split between two locations, and semifinals and championship at another.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:08 am to finestfirst79
I would like to see
-8 team playoff
-Autobids for each Power 5 champ
-One at-large slot reserved specifically for a non-P5 team (like UCF last year. This team would usually be the 8 seed)
-Two at-larges for the two best non conference-winning teams in the nation.
-Quarterfinal games (1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5) played at home fields of the higher seeds. Motivation for teams to go for the top 4 for homefield advantage. Semis and finals continue as currently formatted.
-8 team playoff
-Autobids for each Power 5 champ
-One at-large slot reserved specifically for a non-P5 team (like UCF last year. This team would usually be the 8 seed)
-Two at-larges for the two best non conference-winning teams in the nation.
-Quarterfinal games (1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5) played at home fields of the higher seeds. Motivation for teams to go for the top 4 for homefield advantage. Semis and finals continue as currently formatted.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 2:11 am to rockytop627
I like this idea.
I’d add scrap the committee for the BCS computers or some modified version for the non-automatic qualifiers and I’d say it’s perfect.
I’d add scrap the committee for the BCS computers or some modified version for the non-automatic qualifiers and I’d say it’s perfect.
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-8 team playoff
-Autobids for each Power 5 champ
-One at-large slot reserved specifically for a non-P5 team (like UCF last year. This team would usually be the 8 seed)
-Two at-larges for the two best non conference-winning teams in the nation.
-Quarterfinal games (1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5) played at home fields of the higher seeds. Motivation for teams to go for the top 4 for homefield advantage. Semis and finals continue as currently formatted.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:23 am to SuperKyle
If Bama wins out and doesn’t get in.....its going to 8 teams. Just get ready for it.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 3:35 am to SuperKyle
I was just lurking but I had to log in to upvote you and 100% agree with every word you said Kyle. It would absolutely make the regular season worthless and I am adamant about leaving the playoffs to only four teams. I don’t care if Bama never makes it in again and we end up 5th ten more times. I want the regular season to mean something and it’s not fair to have a team play two teams again they already beat. Also I’ve said on this board repeatedly if we go to six teams the #7 and #8 will cry foul then we go to eight teams then #9 and #10 will cry foul. It’ll never frickin end man. Four teams that’s it.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:11 am to bamagreycoat
the season doesn't mean much now. look at some of the schedules. besides, we'll never get decent ooc scheduling if one loss keeps you out of the playoffs.
either go to 8 or back to the BCS. going to 8, get rid of the conference championships. they are just getting in the way now.
either go to 8 or back to the BCS. going to 8, get rid of the conference championships. they are just getting in the way now.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:23 am to SuperKyle
If LSU loses the SECC, should they go? If so, why should UGA have to potentially beat them twice?
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:30 am to SuperKyle
So, really it should be win your conference championship or pound sand.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:32 am to SuperKyle
The only argument against 8 team playoff is player welfare! Period!
Strength of schedule are too variable to narrow it down to 4 teams. All conferences are not created equal and the OOC opponents are different in quantity and quality.
Strength of schedule are too variable to narrow it down to 4 teams. All conferences are not created equal and the OOC opponents are different in quantity and quality.
Posted on 11/13/19 at 6:33 am to SuperKyle
Assuming Oregon wins out, I think LSU barely beating Auburn could benefit them
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